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roar · Post by **roar** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:47 am

Wokko wrote:

That quote sums up a huge chunk of my animosity towards the left and progressives in general. They don't just want to give up their own freedoms for safety but want to take mine too. **** the arrogant, self righteous morally superior wankers. Yes, I like to 'trigger liberals' because they want power over me and they want to use the violence of government to take it.

I usually keep my views to satire and gentle mockery, but you asked.

I get that view, but I just don't get how you believe Trump provides any real difference.

Post by **David** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:04 am

Post by **David** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:16 am

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:49 pm

Nobody cared about Russia, they just care about 'getting Trump'. It's pathological at this point. No collusion? Mueller must be in Russia's pocket, or Trump's or something. Or there are other crimes, bigger ones, huge ones, even though we just spent 2 years sniffing around Trump and anyone he ever had a casual conversation with.

Post by **Jezza** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:05 pm

Seeing Rachel Maddow on the verge of tears because the US President was not colluding with Russia was the highlight of the weekend

MSNBC and CNN are finished. Credibility has been shot into a million pieces.

Post by **David** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:19 pm

^ If there were any link between credibility and profitability, Fox would have folded 20 years ago. I expect all three channels will keep filling their brain-dead echo chambers into eternity.

Post by **Jezza** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:36 pm

^ Most of these cable news channels are catered to an old audience. The median age of viewers is in the 60s.

I'm not sure whether these networks will last in the long term especially with the proliferation of social media and alternative media.

Skids · Post by **Skids** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:23 pm

Watching the ABC breakfast News this morning was like watching a leftist talk show! Aren't they supposed to be unbiased reporters? Virginia Trioli & to a lesser extent, Michael Rowlands display was disgraceful.

swoop42 · Post by **swoop42** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:01 pm

All we have at this stage is a summary from the Trump appointed Attorney General and as they say the devil is in the detail and if the Democrats can get access to the actual report it'll be interesting to see what judgements were made in regards to obstruction of justice and whether the Attorney General is correct in not pursuing them.

As for the collusion well it's an established fact that Russia did meddle in the Presidential election and it was of benefit to Trump.

Alongside campaign aides it's been reported that his son and son in law met with agents of the Kremlin in this period and it seems fanciful to suggest family members would flip on him to investigators.

It's also naive to suggest that if one is seeking to collude with a foreign power it would be done in an obvious and open manner that is easily substantiated by law enforcement.

That's not how espionage works people.

And as we know what can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt can be different to innocence.

What we do know is that Trump has surrounded himself with a whole bunch of deceitful characters with his campaign manager Paul Manafort now gaoled, his personal lawyer Michael Cohen sentenced to 3 years gaol while his former national security adviser Michael Flynn has been found guilty of lying to FBI agents during the course of the investigation.

So either Trump is just very unlucky in his hiring process or these people offer a clear reflection of his character.

Then of course we have the man himself whose actions despite protestations of innocence appeared to be that of someone with something to hide.

First we had the firing of FBI director James Comey, a reluctance to seemingly criticise Putin, an occasion where he appeared to side with the Kremlin ahead of his own security agencies advice, the man originally picked to be his Attorney-General and oversee the Russia investigation Jeff Sessions recused himself much to his annoyance while he has consistently looked to undermine Mueller personally and his investigation.

I'm sure that tune will change now. LOL.

While Trump and his supporters will naturally be crowing today with numerous investigations into his business dealings still underway, the actual Mueller report yet to be scrutinised and the Democrats ruling the house much is still to play out.

I'd start with subpoenaing his tax records.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:06 pm

Post by **David** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:52 pm

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:31 pm

That's high ground which would be nice to hold in a context of serious law and governance. But Trump has refused to deal with gross conflicts of interest and has brazenly placed unqualified relatives in extremely serious positions of government, among other things, while breaking no known laws of the (banana) republic.

This is an incredible level of brazen criminality with nothing but musty custom opposing it. In the absence of serious checks and balances, all niceties are surely off the table.

Post by **David** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:34 pm

^ Even if world peace is literally at stake? I don’t want to be an alarmist, but I think we all know from experience that the world could do with a great deal less sabre-rattling. Sanctions are an act of escalation, and there’s no question in my mind that the Russiagate red scare has heaped a bit more gunpowder into that particular keg.

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:50 pm

David wrote:^ If there were any link between credibility and profitability, Fox would have folded 20 years ago. I expect all three channels will keep filling their brain-dead echo chambers into eternity.

I suggest it's become worse since the internet became all pervasive and the news cycle became 24/7.

It's no longer just about a demographic and attracting advertisers, it's now about adjusting stories to appeal to the demographic. The end of truly impartial media

swoop42 · Post by **swoop42** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:16 pm

I heard an American Law Professor say on radio this afternoon that the scope of the Mueller investigation was very narrow in terms of collusion and didn't cover what the lay person would consider an act of collusion.

Can't remember his exact words but effectively it was an investigation looking for any formal agreements between the Trump camp and the Russian operatives who carried out the cyber meddling and the terms of reference for the collusion investigation mirrored the narrative that Trump and his lawyers wanted to sell from the outset.

The article below provides a good reminder of the events that lead up to this moment and the highlighted passage needs answering if Trump has nothing to hide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/p ... ussia.html

"a pressing question for Mr. Mueller’s team was why so many of Mr. Trump’s associates felt compelled to conceal the truth".

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