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Personal behaviour vs employment

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We've had a few discussions here about how whether or not what someone does in their private life should impact their employment. I think it's fair to say that David and I have been on opposite sides.

The "Me too" movement has been an interesting scenario where the insinuation of impropriety via social media, with no proof or legal proceedings has been enough to impact careers, in some case severely.

This is an interesting one. Israel Follau is quite religious, borderline fundamentalist. He considers homosexuality a sin according to the bible which is probably technically correct, but puts him on the same page as fundamentalist Christians and most Muslims. Opposite to general societies views.

He recently put a post on his personal Instagram account saying that a group of people will go to hell unless they repent and find Jesus.

The group was

Drunks
Adulterers
Liars
Homosexuals
Fornicators
Thieves
Atheists
Idolaters

(I messed up the order, not deliberately)


https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-u ... 51d6b.html

Seems a fair proportion of Nicks is going to hell :wink:

He plays Rugby Union. The main sponsor of Rugby Australia is Qantas, who's CEO is gay. It seems as though RA is about to tear up Folau's contract and sack him for the comments.

On one hand I think that's fair enough, he was warned about this previously. believe what you want but don't put it out there.He's upset the major sponsor and got a lot of people baying for his blood so RA needs to act for their own reputation.

On the other hand, I'm interested in other opinions, particularly David's.

Does that qualify as hate speech? If so, is Rowan Atkinson's devil skit hate speech?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwIs10XvKA

Should RA issue a statement saying that Folau's opinions do not reflect those of RA but they support his right to hold those opinions or should they sack him?

Should the employer butt out of their employees personal life or, does this impact the employer too much?

Thoughts?
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I,ve said it before. Any dickhead who uses twitter to belittle others deserves to be sacked. Nobody makes you use it. And this from a bloke who slutted himself around every footy code going. Footballers in particular should keep the thing turned off, and cricketers whose name is Shane,
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I support Folau saying whatever the damn well he pleases.
I also think that if the ARU has a contract with Folau and, if he is in breach of that contract, they have the right to tear it up.
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I reckon hell is going to be great, what, with all the hookers and partying going on.... I meet the criteria in quite a few of his 'sinners' list... the last one, I don't even know what that is... but I'll give it a shake.
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Kkids yes you do if ever you called Daicos a god. And yes I will be there and will safe you a seat between the bar and the stripper pole. I dare say a doobee or 2 will be available.

If say Bachar Houli tweeted that all jews should be killed how long do you think he would be employed at Richmond. Folau was warned. I think he is a Mormon so can now piss off and do his mission work.

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Fornicators?? :shock:

We're all f**ked.


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^ yep :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by think positive »

ronrat wrote:I,ve said it before. Any dickhead who uses twitter to belittle others deserves to be sacked. Nobody makes you use it. And this from a bloke who slutted himself around every footy code going. Footballers in particular should keep the thing turned off, and cricketers whose name is Shane,
It certainly brings out the worst in people.

Should he be sacked for it? No but I’m sure they will find a way to punish him! You don’t insult so loudly and publicly everyone from the CEO down and walk away scot free.

In saying that if there is a claus in his contract and he broke it, well stuff him, he would be really dumb to give up such a lucrative job for that outburst! Let’s notforget he signed the contract.
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Folau has been sacked and is now suing. Hope he wins.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... m-contract
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David wrote:Folau has been sacked and is now suing. Hope he wins.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... m-contract
so if he wins and plays again, is he then fodder for what everyone else may think of him? since he can say what he likes about anything and everything, surely he should have to cop it too? or because he took the cowards way of generalising, his comments are not bullying?
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You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
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Maybe he wants out of his contract to go back to League, wouldn't be the first person to get purposefully fired to get out of an ironclad exclusive employment contract.
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