Ummmm, the Magistrates Court IS independent from the Police. Appearing before a Magistrate isn't Police investigating police, it's the court system at work.
If she's now studying Law, I suggest she studies harder.
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absolutely, i have no problem at all with self defence! I was replying to Wokko and his man vs woman comment!stui magpie wrote:It's thin on detail. She said she went to his house for help, he said he went outside when he noticed someone in his yard late at night. For him to have chased her, she must have first ran which doesn't buy in with her argument she went there for help
he knew her, so I'll assume that he knew enough to be concerned when she suddenly raised her arms.
it's not OK to hit anyone but sometimes it's the least worst option.
I saw on the news recently some scattered woman came charging out of a doorway and attacked a visibly pregnant woman for no perceived reason. A male pedestrian walking past stepped in to pull the scattered chick off, who was twice the size of the pregnant one and similar size to him. An off duty cop stepped in and helped subdue the attacker, but if he hadn't been there, I'd have no problem popping her on the beak if the situation called for it.
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
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Lets not forget that comparing Police in the US and Australia is to a degree comparing Apples with Oranges.
Our system has a state Police force. Sherrif's in our system have a minor role.
Their state police operate differently to ours, each city has it's own Police department so standards will vary. Use Los Angeles as an example. They only Police the designated Los Angeles city, whereas Beverly Hills has it's own Police Department (as per the movie), Santa Monica has it's own, etc. It's a very decentralised model compared to ours and the more rural areas have Sheriffs departments with the same powers as city police departments.
Our model provides for a greater level of governance and scrutiny than theirs does.
Our system has a state Police force. Sherrif's in our system have a minor role.
Their state police operate differently to ours, each city has it's own Police department so standards will vary. Use Los Angeles as an example. They only Police the designated Los Angeles city, whereas Beverly Hills has it's own Police Department (as per the movie), Santa Monica has it's own, etc. It's a very decentralised model compared to ours and the more rural areas have Sheriffs departments with the same powers as city police departments.
Our model provides for a greater level of governance and scrutiny than theirs does.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
This is about PSOs:
PSOs made unlawful arrests due to legal loophole, police reveal
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 52aw1.html
"The force on Thursday night confirmed it had received new legal advice revealing PSOs did not have the power to make arrests over warrants for failure to appear at court. That's despite making about 500 such arrests every year for the past eight years.
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"It's important to appreciate, the majority of the 500 arrest warrants executed last year involved persons being lawfully arrested by PSOs who witnessed the commission of other criminal offending," Mr Hill said.
"Execution of the fail to appear warrants was subsequent to the arrest.
"The issue we are dealing with is limited to the rare occasions when PSOs are making arrests solely because they have identified a person as being wanted on a warrant, and some of those warrants are currently addressed to exclude PSOs." "
[So is the state, i.e. the taxpayer, going to have to cough up compensation for the unlawful arrests??]
PSOs made unlawful arrests due to legal loophole, police reveal
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 52aw1.html
"The force on Thursday night confirmed it had received new legal advice revealing PSOs did not have the power to make arrests over warrants for failure to appear at court. That's despite making about 500 such arrests every year for the past eight years.
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"It's important to appreciate, the majority of the 500 arrest warrants executed last year involved persons being lawfully arrested by PSOs who witnessed the commission of other criminal offending," Mr Hill said.
"Execution of the fail to appear warrants was subsequent to the arrest.
"The issue we are dealing with is limited to the rare occasions when PSOs are making arrests solely because they have identified a person as being wanted on a warrant, and some of those warrants are currently addressed to exclude PSOs." "
[So is the state, i.e. the taxpayer, going to have to cough up compensation for the unlawful arrests??]
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Jury finds former top cop defamed Inflation nightclub owner
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 52mg1.html
"... but that his claim her club was a "honey-pot" for drug dealers was substantially true.
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The prominent nightclub owner was scathing of Victoria Police's legal tactics and misuse of public funding over the past five years.
The Age can reveal that police lawyers and a solicitor from the Victorian Government Solicitor's Office rejected her request in 2014 to cover her legal costs of $40,000 and issue an apology on behalf of Mr Guerin.
The state is understood to have spent up to $1 million defending the defamation proceedings and could now be ordered to cover Ms Tsamis' legal expenses."
[Maybe if the individual, Mr Guerin in this case, is the one who has to pay up, it'd settle sooner and not have the state spending a million dollars of taxpayers' money defending itself. How can individual victims go up against that sort of money?]
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 52mg1.html
"... but that his claim her club was a "honey-pot" for drug dealers was substantially true.
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The prominent nightclub owner was scathing of Victoria Police's legal tactics and misuse of public funding over the past five years.
The Age can reveal that police lawyers and a solicitor from the Victorian Government Solicitor's Office rejected her request in 2014 to cover her legal costs of $40,000 and issue an apology on behalf of Mr Guerin.
The state is understood to have spent up to $1 million defending the defamation proceedings and could now be ordered to cover Ms Tsamis' legal expenses."
[Maybe if the individual, Mr Guerin in this case, is the one who has to pay up, it'd settle sooner and not have the state spending a million dollars of taxpayers' money defending itself. How can individual victims go up against that sort of money?]
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Disgraced senior cop avoids charges over offensive online posts
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 52mtm.html
'A former senior policeman who made racist and abusive comments online will not face charges, despite the anti-corruption agency recognising his behaviour risked damaging the integrity and confidence of police operations.
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“IBAC’s investigation found no evidence of actual bias. Regardless of this, this behaviour risked damaging the integrity of, and confidence in, Victoria Police investigations,” an IBAC spokeswoman said.
“No charges will be laid against Mr Guerin as while his conduct was generally offensive, it does not meet the standard of ‘offensive’ currently required to file charges under the Criminal Code.”
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His digital alter-ego also made references to sodomy and rape in relation to former chief commissioner Christine Nixon and former Police Association boss Paul Mullett, who he was later forced to apologise to after a complaint to the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission.
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It came amid revelations in The Age that Mr Guerin had been previously linked to an incident involving the use of racist language in a professional setting, including calling another officer a "f---ing w*g" in 2008.
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Mr Guerin ... justified his racist and obscene posts as an attempt to manage the stress and anxiety generated by his senior position in the police.'
Disgraced senior cop avoids charges over offensive online posts
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 52mtm.html
'A former senior policeman who made racist and abusive comments online will not face charges, despite the anti-corruption agency recognising his behaviour risked damaging the integrity and confidence of police operations.
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“IBAC’s investigation found no evidence of actual bias. Regardless of this, this behaviour risked damaging the integrity of, and confidence in, Victoria Police investigations,” an IBAC spokeswoman said.
“No charges will be laid against Mr Guerin as while his conduct was generally offensive, it does not meet the standard of ‘offensive’ currently required to file charges under the Criminal Code.”
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His digital alter-ego also made references to sodomy and rape in relation to former chief commissioner Christine Nixon and former Police Association boss Paul Mullett, who he was later forced to apologise to after a complaint to the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission.
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It came amid revelations in The Age that Mr Guerin had been previously linked to an incident involving the use of racist language in a professional setting, including calling another officer a "f---ing w*g" in 2008.
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Mr Guerin ... justified his racist and obscene posts as an attempt to manage the stress and anxiety generated by his senior position in the police.'
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"Shocking footage shows the moment a Victorian policeman shoots man"
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 534d2.html
[The gunshots happen at 2:42 in the video.]
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 534d2.html
[The gunshots happen at 2:42 in the video.]
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