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Pies4shaw wrote:it must be awful to go through life terrified by loud children.
Nobody is 'terrified by her. Just some if us can see through the propaganda machine that drives her and writes her waffle. The sheep lap it up, it's unbelievable how the sheeple take the tripe that the commercial news channels chose to serve up to them... as if they're some sort of god, never to be questioned.... then they 'hide' any alternate views.

What don't you like about the presentation, by 500 climate scientists, that was presented to the UN, at the climate summit?
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It’s funny how you want to see a coordinated conspiracy involving millions of people with a puppet-girl figurehead but have no suspicions at all about a comparatively small bunch of people who push a different barrow. Is it their fundamental irrelevance to the discussion that appeals to you or did you think they must be telling the truth because of their funding by, long careers in and other links to the petrochemical industry?
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think positive wrote:That video is brilliant! Even if it makes fun of my ladybird hat with solar panels! Seriously anyone who can’t put IKEA furniture together without help is a moron, no wonder they need to yell at a child!

But seriously, why are certain people getting so worked up? How are these changes to positively change the crap humans have done in the past to the planet, negatively impact you?
I thought I'd respond to this bit, even though I don't think I'm worked up.

I agree with using more renewable energy and less fossil fuel, I'm comfortable with the science on global warming, that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

What I don't like is being shrieked at that we're all going to die, soon, unless we stop carbon emissions. While science on global warming is clear, even though it's in isolation of naturally occurring events we have no control over that also impact our climate, the science on climate change is far from settled. You have different people modelling different things with different variables and, unsurprisingly, coming up with different outcomes. Environmentalists latch onto the more extreme ones and push them as fact because it suits their agenda.

As far as the kid goes, she's a kid. I don't take advice from 16 yr olds, I used to have 2 of them and 10+ years later their opinions are worth listening to. She's very passionate about her opinion and likely without her knowledge is being used by the environmental lobby. I don't agree with people insulting her but I also don't agree with people deifying her. She's not the messiah, she's just a kid with an opinion that happens to match that of a powerful lobby group.
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"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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Nothing wrong at all with kids getting politically and/or socially engaged. far better than being stuck to a screen.

Just don't expect me to take their opinions seriously. IIRC you were right wing at 15-16. :wink:
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"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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Yeah, if you hold the same opinions at 60 as you did at 16, that would be amazing. As you grow older you hopefully learn things which shape your opinions.

There's no shame in changing your mind based on new information.
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^ I hope Collingwood wins a flag before the world ends in 12 years ;)
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Mugwump wrote:
stui magpie wrote:^

You haven't lived in Aus for how long?
Left in 1998, so 18 years. Visit regularly, usually for several weeks in August, where it seems to me that the nights below zero are noticeably fewer than they were in 1996-98. In any event, the Australian BOM record data is clear, as is the effect on coral in the Barrier Reef.

It is certainly clearly observable in Northern Europe. I've lived in the Uk, NL or Germany from 1991-94, then 1998-2017 (Australia in the 1994-1998 period). The change in the severity of winters here in that time is striking, visible in the timing of daffodil and crocus, the days of snow cover, and the average winter day temperature.
YOu probably could benefit from doing some actual study on the subject. One of the first things you'd learn is most sceptics do agree there has been some warming, they just see not only that the evidence and theoretical basis for CO2 being the cause is very weak but also that the evidence for deliberate fraud and deception by so-called scientists on the climate change gravy train is very strong.
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I just have to laugh at the so called, expert scientists predictions.

Let's have a look at some of the experts predictions from the first, 1970 Earth Day;

Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

 Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Lookthat, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”

Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.


Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.'”

Paul Ehrlich chimed in, predicting in 1970 that “air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” Ehrlich sketched a scenario in which 200,000 Americans would die in 1973 during “smog disasters” in New York and Los Angeles.

Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”


 In January 1970, Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”

Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”

Scientist are way smarter now though :roll:
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How on earth did a rational debate once led by professors in lab coats get hijacked by hysterical teenagers in hoodies?
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^

She's definitely a fixated little petal. I feel for her parents. She apparently "convinced" them to go Vegan and stop air travel for the sake of the environment, meaning her mother had to give up her career as a singer and Dad probably sneaks out at lunchtime from his work to get a steak.
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^ You seriously think they were bullied into doing it? I’m sure they were perfectly capable of making those decisions for themselves.
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