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Don Cherry Sacking (Racism in sports)
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"How To Talk To Your (Kinda Racist) Uncle* About Don Cherry".
"Last Saturday the longtime Hockey Night in Canada personality was fired by Sportsnet following a rant about how “you people” love “our” way of life, but can’t be bothered to put on a poppy for Remembrance Day."
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"If we’ve learned anything from Donald Trump it’s that there are plenty of ways to make racist remarks without explicitly talking about race. Let’s start with the facts: Cherry was talking about “you people” who come to “our” country and referenced people from Mississauga and downtown Toronto. “If you take all of those things together, we are talking about immigrants. And not white immigrants,” says Courtney Szto, a kinesiology prof at Queen’s university whose doctoral dissertation is on racism in hockey culture. Szto notes that “immigrant” itself has racial implications depending on location and era. Had Cherry’s remarks been made in 1850, his argument that he could have been talking about Irish Immigrants (which he made during an interview with Global News) might hold water. Today though, what he says is a pretty good example of the kind of “coded language that is used to hold up white supremacy all over the world,” Szto says."
The strangest things about his firing are how it was so late in coming and why he came to be fired for being "divisive", rather than for being "a white bigot". Only a Canadian white-supremacist, English-speaking bigot would say that which Cherry said (or think that it was OK that he said it).
"How To Talk To Your (Kinda Racist) Uncle* About Don Cherry".
"Last Saturday the longtime Hockey Night in Canada personality was fired by Sportsnet following a rant about how “you people” love “our” way of life, but can’t be bothered to put on a poppy for Remembrance Day."
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"If we’ve learned anything from Donald Trump it’s that there are plenty of ways to make racist remarks without explicitly talking about race. Let’s start with the facts: Cherry was talking about “you people” who come to “our” country and referenced people from Mississauga and downtown Toronto. “If you take all of those things together, we are talking about immigrants. And not white immigrants,” says Courtney Szto, a kinesiology prof at Queen’s university whose doctoral dissertation is on racism in hockey culture. Szto notes that “immigrant” itself has racial implications depending on location and era. Had Cherry’s remarks been made in 1850, his argument that he could have been talking about Irish Immigrants (which he made during an interview with Global News) might hold water. Today though, what he says is a pretty good example of the kind of “coded language that is used to hold up white supremacy all over the world,” Szto says."
The strangest things about his firing are how it was so late in coming and why he came to be fired for being "divisive", rather than for being "a white bigot". Only a Canadian white-supremacist, English-speaking bigot would say that which Cherry said (or think that it was OK that he said it).
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This is an interesting read. It's written 4 years ago and has nothing to do with Cherry's sacking.
Watching the NHL, it is a little strange that there are more Russians than black people. It certainly stands in extraordinary contrast to baseball, soccer, NFL and basketball in that respect.
This is an interesting read. It's written 4 years ago and has nothing to do with Cherry's sacking.
Watching the NHL, it is a little strange that there are more Russians than black people. It certainly stands in extraordinary contrast to baseball, soccer, NFL and basketball in that respect.
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Interesting article, good read.
I've seen cool runnings, black people and ice don't seem to mix well.
There were 40 black athletes at the recent winter Olympics. 40 out of 3000.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/2/1 ... s-historic
I've seen cool runnings, black people and ice don't seem to mix well.
There were 40 black athletes at the recent winter Olympics. 40 out of 3000.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/2/1 ... s-historic
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
Not much ice in Jamaica. Which was kind of the point of that movie.
Here's a note about the position in the NFL (admittedly from Wikipedia - but it's about right based on my watching of the NFL, which is extensive):
At the start of the 2014 season, NFL surveys revealed that the league was approximately 68% African-American and about 28% white, with the remaining 4% comprising Asian/Pacific Islander, non-white Hispanics, and those preferring a Mixed Race category.
These statistics are in contrast to the general population of the United States, which is about 28% non-white (white including Hispanic whites) although among the demographic that plays in the NFL (men approximately 21 to 35 years of age), the proportion of the American population that is non-white is somewhat greater.
Interestingly, the NHL knows racism is a problem - they increased the penalty for racism on the ice about a fortnight ago: https://abcnews.go.com/US/usa-hockey-in ... d=66659073
If you read the detail of the incidents referred to there, it's plainly a serious issue.
See also https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /38451681/
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/podcasts/hnic ... -1.5053164
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pla ... #Post-WWII
Here's a note on the position in basketball, where about three-quarters of the players are black: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... in_the_NBA
Interestingly, there was an "all black" hockey league in Canada from 1895 until 1930, so there were plenty of black people playing but they didn't get into the NHL in more than token numbers until recently.
So compared to other major professional sports in the US, where the majority of players are non-white, the NHL still sits around 90% white (see, eg, https://www.wsbtv.com/news/thrashers-to ... /241852512). It's certainly "intriguing", to put it mildly.
Here's a note about the position in the NFL (admittedly from Wikipedia - but it's about right based on my watching of the NFL, which is extensive):
At the start of the 2014 season, NFL surveys revealed that the league was approximately 68% African-American and about 28% white, with the remaining 4% comprising Asian/Pacific Islander, non-white Hispanics, and those preferring a Mixed Race category.
These statistics are in contrast to the general population of the United States, which is about 28% non-white (white including Hispanic whites) although among the demographic that plays in the NFL (men approximately 21 to 35 years of age), the proportion of the American population that is non-white is somewhat greater.
Interestingly, the NHL knows racism is a problem - they increased the penalty for racism on the ice about a fortnight ago: https://abcnews.go.com/US/usa-hockey-in ... d=66659073
If you read the detail of the incidents referred to there, it's plainly a serious issue.
See also https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /38451681/
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/podcasts/hnic ... -1.5053164
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pla ... #Post-WWII
Here's a note on the position in basketball, where about three-quarters of the players are black: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... in_the_NBA
Interestingly, there was an "all black" hockey league in Canada from 1895 until 1930, so there were plenty of black people playing but they didn't get into the NHL in more than token numbers until recently.
So compared to other major professional sports in the US, where the majority of players are non-white, the NHL still sits around 90% white (see, eg, https://www.wsbtv.com/news/thrashers-to ... /241852512). It's certainly "intriguing", to put it mildly.
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I recall a quote from, I think, Matthew Delevadova, when he started playing NBA. He was on the bench with another white player and one of the black guys on the team pointed it out, saying we can't have the white guys together on the bench, they could be holding a Klan meeting.
If you look at the different sports and consider the financial cost to get involved along with the fact that the USA Blacks are over represented in the poor, it makes sense.
Leaving physical attributes aside, Basketball is accessible to anyone. They have public courts everywhere in the poor areas.
NFL, if you have extreme size and athletic ability you can make it. While the majority of players are black, the majority of quarterbacks are white. Don't need no edumacation or money to be big and crash into brick walls. There's also serious money to be made if you are smaller and have genuine athletic ability, which would be slightly attractive to people who have far call.
There's also the matter of people finding a sport they like and wanting to get good at it. Ice Hockey is canada's sport. They didn't import slaves from Africa (can't grow cotton on ice) so they have a lot less blacks
If you look at the different sports and consider the financial cost to get involved along with the fact that the USA Blacks are over represented in the poor, it makes sense.
Leaving physical attributes aside, Basketball is accessible to anyone. They have public courts everywhere in the poor areas.
NFL, if you have extreme size and athletic ability you can make it. While the majority of players are black, the majority of quarterbacks are white. Don't need no edumacation or money to be big and crash into brick walls. There's also serious money to be made if you are smaller and have genuine athletic ability, which would be slightly attractive to people who have far call.
There's also the matter of people finding a sport they like and wanting to get good at it. Ice Hockey is canada's sport. They didn't import slaves from Africa (can't grow cotton on ice) so they have a lot less blacks
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
Apart from Brady and Rodgers (both drafted more than a decade ago), the best quarterbacks are mostly non-whites. In order, Jackson, Wilson, Mahomes, Newton (if he weren't injured), Bridgewater (notionally behind Brees, who is a future Hall of Famer - but the Saints have been way better with Teddy under centre than Drew, now that Brees has turned 90) Prescott, Murray and Watson are the first ones you'd take. In any event, that's a poor example - it is well-known that teams used to think you had to be white to have the "intelligence" and "leadership quality" to be an NFL QB. That's changed - but only in recent times. And there's still a fair hangover, anyway - the NFL is full of recycled white QBs who were never up to it and shouldn't be on a roster but somehow are.
Of course, there'd be one more - Colin Kaepernick (who took his team to Superbowl in his first season as a starter) - if he hadn't been white-balled for protesting systematic racism in the NFL.
As for the NHL, 3 quarters of the franchises are now in the US, not Canada, so that classic Don Cherry argument doesn't hold water.
Of course, there'd be one more - Colin Kaepernick (who took his team to Superbowl in his first season as a starter) - if he hadn't been white-balled for protesting systematic racism in the NFL.
As for the NHL, 3 quarters of the franchises are now in the US, not Canada, so that classic Don Cherry argument doesn't hold water.
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Here's Jackson - this is just what he did last weekend (the week before, he beat Brady): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mAHFWlqmC0
Here he is taking down the previously undefeated Pats: https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/h ... s-patriots
And Wilson (already a Super Bowl winner): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGPL1AOnBL4
And Mahomes (last year's MVP, of course): https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-ma ... ble-player
Here he is taking down the previously undefeated Pats: https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/h ... s-patriots
And Wilson (already a Super Bowl winner): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGPL1AOnBL4
And Mahomes (last year's MVP, of course): https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-ma ... ble-player
On the subject of sackings, here's the Minister for Defence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxH0MoruQLk