Sanders is a socialist, so yeah certainly stupid enough. He's also Jewish so not sure how that plays but he's not your standard WASP.
Biden is beyond stupid, he's gone deep into mentally unfit territory.
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The US won't recover if it doesn't genuinely arrest its decline. Its current economic war against the world is only getting muted coverage because of fear that Captain Bone Spurs will take everyone over a cliff like his Republican predecessor.
His zero sumism is setting up monstrous conflict nationally and internationally; you can be a victim or a conqueror, but you can't be sane.
It can only be a Warren or a Sanders with a Buttigieg for centrist appeal.
His zero sumism is setting up monstrous conflict nationally and internationally; you can be a victim or a conqueror, but you can't be sane.
It can only be a Warren or a Sanders with a Buttigieg for centrist appeal.
In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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Steady on. Bit early to call this race. Dems haven't even turned into the home straight yet. A lot to play out as the field jockey for position. Eg. Michelle Obama is only waiting for Hillary's declaration that she won't run and she will nominate (the black Obama wants his dynasty created where the white Clinton failed - but beyond that, don't discount the sheer hatred between these two women).
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Michelle Obama - faced with lack lustre Dem candidates and the consequent looming shadow of a Trump second term - will reluctantly, oh so reluctantly, announce her nomination, not for herself mind you, but for the sake of her country. CNN et al will go bonkers with it hailing it as a selfless act of great personal sacrifice. And Barack will, well, barrack for her too.
Mind you, this is also Hillary's PR agenda if she ever nominates. "i'm doing it for my country". But both are wanting to avoid going head-to-head against each other in an ex-Presidents' wives clash that could quickly degenerate into a nasty back/white spat (with good sprinkling of old fashioned female bitchiness thrown in).
Michelle Obama - faced with lack lustre Dem candidates and the consequent looming shadow of a Trump second term - will reluctantly, oh so reluctantly, announce her nomination, not for herself mind you, but for the sake of her country. CNN et al will go bonkers with it hailing it as a selfless act of great personal sacrifice. And Barack will, well, barrack for her too.
Mind you, this is also Hillary's PR agenda if she ever nominates. "i'm doing it for my country". But both are wanting to avoid going head-to-head against each other in an ex-Presidents' wives clash that could quickly degenerate into a nasty back/white spat (with good sprinkling of old fashioned female bitchiness thrown in).
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While it didn't stop Michael Bloomberg and Deval Patrick, who will miss a couple of states each, anyone who declares now is going to have missed the deadline to be on the ballot in several states. Alabama, Arkansas, New Hampshire, Tennessee and California (which, on its own, accounts for 495 delegates, i.e. over 10% of the entire total on offer) have already closed. So I think it's safe to say that anyone who hasn't announced yet isn't running.Woods wrote:Steady on. Bit early to call this race. Dems haven't even turned into the home straight yet. A lot to play out as the field jockey for position. Eg. Michelle Obama is only waiting for Hillary's declaration that she won't run and she will nominate (the black Obama wants his dynasty created where the white Clinton failed - but beyond that, don't discount the sheer hatred between these two women).
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And meanwhile in Tomorrow Land...
Devin Nunes sues CNN for $435M over ‘false and defamatory’ Ukraine story
Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., sued CNN for defamation on Tuesday, accusing the cable network of publishing a “demonstrably false hit piece” about him amid his high-profile opposition to the Trump impeachment inquiry.
The 47-page lawsuit, filed in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, accuses the liberal network of publishing “numerous egregiously false and defamatory” statements about Nunes on Nov. 22, 2019 when journalist Vicky Ward reported claims that Nunes met with Ukranian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in Vienna in 2018 to dig "up dirt" on Hunter and Joe Biden.
Nunes, who has been leading GOP opposition to the House Democratic impeachment inquiry in the House Intelligence Committee, says he “did not go to Vienna or anywhere else in Austria in 2018” and “has never met” Shokin.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/devin-nunes-sues-cnn
Devin Nunes sues CNN for $435M over ‘false and defamatory’ Ukraine story
Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., sued CNN for defamation on Tuesday, accusing the cable network of publishing a “demonstrably false hit piece” about him amid his high-profile opposition to the Trump impeachment inquiry.
The 47-page lawsuit, filed in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, accuses the liberal network of publishing “numerous egregiously false and defamatory” statements about Nunes on Nov. 22, 2019 when journalist Vicky Ward reported claims that Nunes met with Ukranian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in Vienna in 2018 to dig "up dirt" on Hunter and Joe Biden.
Nunes, who has been leading GOP opposition to the House Democratic impeachment inquiry in the House Intelligence Committee, says he “did not go to Vienna or anywhere else in Austria in 2018” and “has never met” Shokin.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/devin-nunes-sues-cnn
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Woods
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And if anyone is interested in a long-form response by Dem candidate Tulsi Gabbard to the accusation by Hillary Clinton that she is actually a Russian intelligence asset (I'm not making this shit up), then check out this interview she did on Joe Rogan last week.
'Tulsi Gabbard on Being Called a "Russian Asset" by Hillary Clinton': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behsy2owilI
Its 13 mins long but jump forward to the 6:15 min mark to where she is asked for her response to Hillary's accusation. But watch the earlier part too if you have time - quite funny in parts.
And if you are up for it, here's a link to the whole 2+ hours interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYud9re7-Q
Is there any other Dem candidate who exposes themselves to hours of media scrutiny and the dangers that lie within? She is an outstanding media performer is Tulsi. Knows when to speak - knows when to shut up. If the Dems were not owned and operated by the Deep State they would see her as the best shot the party has at the 2020 election).
'Tulsi Gabbard on Being Called a "Russian Asset" by Hillary Clinton': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behsy2owilI
Its 13 mins long but jump forward to the 6:15 min mark to where she is asked for her response to Hillary's accusation. But watch the earlier part too if you have time - quite funny in parts.
And if you are up for it, here's a link to the whole 2+ hours interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYud9re7-Q
Is there any other Dem candidate who exposes themselves to hours of media scrutiny and the dangers that lie within? She is an outstanding media performer is Tulsi. Knows when to speak - knows when to shut up. If the Dems were not owned and operated by the Deep State they would see her as the best shot the party has at the 2020 election).
Why, in any event, in that hypothetical does it seem to matter so much for the structure of that narrative that Obama is "black"?David wrote:While it didn't stop Michael Bloomberg and Deval Patrick, who will miss a couple of states each, anyone who declares now is going to have missed the deadline to be on the ballot in several states. Alabama, Arkansas, New Hampshire, Tennessee and California (which, on its own, accounts for 495 delegates, i.e. over 10% of the entire total on offer) have already closed. So I think it's safe to say that anyone who hasn't announced yet isn't running.Woods wrote:Steady on. Bit early to call this race. Dems haven't even turned into the home straight yet. A lot to play out as the field jockey for position. Eg. Michelle Obama is only waiting for Hillary's declaration that she won't run and she will nominate (the black Obama wants his dynasty created where the white Clinton failed - but beyond that, don't discount the sheer hatred between these two women).
There have been other political "dynasties" in the US (think, eg, the Bushs and the Kennedys). We might have had all sorts of things to say about them politically but I don't think referring to "white" JFK or "white" Bush Snr would ever have been one of them.
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Nothing curious at all.Pies4shaw wrote:Your conception of race is the interesting thing to me, though. Obama is "black Obama" but we know that neither the Kennedys nor the Bushs would ever be designated as "white" Kennedy or Bush. Curious, really.
My original quote (which seems to have pushed buttons with you) was in relation to the prospect of the two ex-president's wives competing to becoming president themselves: "black Obama wants his dynasty created where the white Clinton failed".
The obvious point of difference in colour. And in the US this is a major electoral issue (go ask MLKj).
(Me thinks your self-loathing for your own white skin is driving you to box a shadows. )