Climate change

[David]

[David]

[Wokko]

Whenever the Coalition take up a Labor/Green style climate taxing policy their primary vote plummets and polling shows them losing elections. People may not be enamored with the conservative right of the Liberal party but they'll vote them in over a Labor lite climate hoax carpetbagger like Turnbull. Morrison needs to tread very lightly on this issue and not listen to polls from Sydney/Melbourne because those areas didn't give him power.

[PyreneesPie]

Morrison deserves to wear this catastrophe, to use Keating’s phrase, like a crown of thorns. But our governing class, the media and business elites of the last two decades share responsibility for the lost lives, ruined businesses, damaged health and ecocide that have marked this summer, and will mark decades to come. And they should never be permitted to forget it.

Yes.

[PyreneesPie]

[David]

[watt price tully]

Morrison deserves to wear this catastrophe, to use Keating’s phrase, like a crown of thorns. But our governing class, the media and business elites of the last two decades share responsibility for the lost lives, ruined businesses, damaged health and ecocide that have marked this summer, and will mark decades to come. And they should never be permitted to forget it.

Yes.

Indeed, cuts to the chase. Succinct and nails it.

[Wokko]

Nothing that any Australian or group of Australians did in the last 100 years would've had any effect on today's climate or this year's bushfires.

If you think it would then you're either brainwashed or shamelessly pushing an agenda.

You could go back in time and stop Scott Morrison being born and nothing would be different as far as climate or fires. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

[watt price tully]

Forwarded to me by a Nick's mate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opin ... fires.html

In a rational world, the burning of Australia would be a historical turning point. After all, it’s exactly the kind of catastrophe climate scientists long warned us to expect if we didn’t take action to limit greenhouse gas emissions. In fact, a 2008 report commissioned by the Australian government predicted that global warming would cause the nation’s fire......

Great article and thanks Pyrenees Pie

[think positive]

[David]

[Wokko]

You think anyone cares about "Australian Pressure"? The Japanese have been whaling under or noses in the Southern Ocean despite our "Pressure" for decades.

Like people thinking they can change the climate on purpose, Australians thinking they have any importance at all is laughable. China, India and the USA are under pressure from much larger, more important nations than Australia and they don't give two shits.

[David]

I respectfully disagree. We're not necessarily a major player on the world stage, but we're not insignificant either.

As a random example, we're one of the less than 10% of countries in the world to be included in the G20 summit, along with Argentina, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the UK and the US. There are certainly countries there with lesser and greater influence in that group, but we're not exactly talking about minnows here, and our mere inclusion there puts us above countries such as Spain, Poland, Sweden, Iran (whose exclusion is admittedly likely to be more political than about lack of global influence), Pakistan, Thailand and Israel, among roughly 170 or so other nation states. If you can be bothered to turn up on election day and cast your vote as just one voice among millions of people, then I'm pretty sure we can agree that one of the world's top 20 economies should try to make good geopolitical decisions.

[roar]

Sorry Dave, I have to agree with Wokko on this one, we hold no sway,whatever.

Nothing that any Australian or group of Australians did in the last 100 years would've had any effect on today's climate or this year's bushfires.

If you think it would then you're either brainwashed or shamelessly pushing an agenda.

If you do not think changes over 100 years would have had any effect on the bushfires "you're either brainwashed or shamelessly pushing an agenda".

Don't you love definitive statements that work both ways?

[Wokko]

Except yours is wrong.

Australia's impact on global climate is so miniscule even now, let alone when we were a sparsely populated nation of sheep farmers that anything that was done would have exactly 0 impact. If you somehow managed to prevent European settlement and there were only natives with neolithic technology the only difference would be the arson of malicious wankers wouldn't happen, but the lightning and weather and fires would be the same.