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pietillidie wrote:Trump's corrupt, thuggish attack on the ICC:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... man-rights
Again, essential reading for anyone who complained about China's cosiness with the WHO. Any wonder why America is so widely loathed?
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As I said in the WHO context, these international institutions depend upon the major world powers supporting and defending them. Happily for the ICC, Trump seems to be determined to ensure that the US ceases to be a world power and instead establishes itself as a dysfunctional third-world toilet.
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Trump stopped a war that Bolton was gagging for. No wonder the walrus was pissed off.

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Trump's right, 150 dead for 1 drone isn't proportionate at all. Hard to see any president in the last 50 years giving enough of a shit about brown people half way around the world to call off a military strike.
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It's good that there's something in there that you think casts the Slump in a favourable light. Everyone who has reviewed the book seems to think it will end his presidency.

Not that I care, I hasten to add - I don't really have any investment in which of those two authoritarian nutjobs happened, in a particular case, to be less wrong on some issue about a use of force contrary to international law. If there's anything that interests me about this, it's where the advice is from White House Counsel concerning the legality of such action. No doubt that is dealt with somewhere else in nearby pages?
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David wrote:I think that passage does cast Trump in a good light
Only if you completely forget that it was Trump who started the whole thing by deliberately breaking a signed international peace treaty.
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Details, Tannin, details.
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^ sorry :(
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David wrote:It’s actually a significant relief, in my book, that he knows some language other than escalation and that he is instinctively opposed to military conflict.
Really?

Well, he did instinctively ask Daddy to fix him up with a medical certificate so that he could dodge the draft. I guess that counts.

But I hope that you are right. I fear very much that you are not. My expectation is that he will try to start a war sometime between now and November, because that is now his only hope of reelection and he knows it. He just has to find a semi-plausible way to make it look as though the other side started it.
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David wrote:
pietillidie wrote:Trump's corrupt, thuggish attack on the ICC:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... man-rights
Again, essential reading for anyone who complained about China's cosiness with the WHO. Any wonder why America is so widely loathed?
Hardly essential reading, typical Guardian editorial playing directly to their target audience. The USA never signed up for the ICC, even under Obama.

I don't wonder why the USA is widely loathed, I don't even consider that a legitimate question considering the majority of places that potentially do loathe the USA, I wouldn't urinate on if they were experiencing combustion issues.

Certainly the vast majority of Australians do not loathe the USA whereas the vast majority do have less than kind feelings about China
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^ exactly this, i didnt know how to articulate it so thankyou!
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I think you seriously over estimate the amount of anti US sentiment in Australia.

If hating America is a perfectly reasonable sentiment, then so is hating China and some religions.
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