Chinese imperialism and future Australian sovereignty

[stui magpie]

And you don't need an IQ above 40 to know that it's all misdirection and defense via attack from China.

[David]

I think it suits a certain narrative to presume that. But the fact is that we don’t know, and that it’s literally illegal for us to even find out if we wanted to. But I’d be very surprised if we weren’t spying on them; wouldn’t you?

[stui magpie]

Ummm 5 eyes intelligence program? Of course we're gathering intelligence on them. Point?

[David]

So what was the point of your post? Why complain about them accusing us of doing something that we’re probably actually doing?

[think positive]

I’d be pissed off if we were t spying on them! WhAt kind of fantasy land do you live in?

[stui magpie]

So what was the point of your post? Why complain about them accusing us of doing something that we’re probably actually doing?

Oh FFS, really?

Using their state controlled media to publicly slag off Australia in yet another attempt to deflect criticism and comment away from them and their actions.

If China was a person, they'd be the one with lots of cash, flash car and house, hair trigger temper, utterly intolerant of criticism and grandma locked in the laundry washing dishes

[stui magpie]

[pietillidie]

^Therein lies the problem. You're now reading the same sort of content, day after day, elicited by current excited concerns, having known virtually nothing neutral or general about the subject prior.

Current concerns will only filter a tiny fraction of charged information about China to you.

Can you not see how this works to skew one's understanding of the whole?

[stui magpie]

I can see how it works, people have woken up to them, they've dropped the mask.

[pietillidie]

^You can't double down on no knowledge.

Piling on hysterically and conspiratorially in reaction to the latest thing you've read will not improve anyone's lot. Especially when the biggest concern of all is the gaping void of leadership and discipline at home.

You're becoming reactionary to a degree you've never been.

[Tannin]

Meanwhile, we have just bought into a modern, medium-range stealthy anti-ship missile system. This is exactly the type of leading-edge hardware capability we can and must maintain to avoid being relentlessly bullied.

We also need, of course, to avoid over-dependence on a single trading partner, we need to establish and maintain honest, open relationships with other countries focused on long-term benefit to both (not short-term quick bucks), and we need to be well-led by people looking at the future and not stuck in the past.

Oh well, one out of four isn't bad.

[Pi]

^
Perhaps not, over the last few years I have seen a lot work being pulled out of China and back here with automated and environmentally compliant factories. Not only that, I also see increased business with India going on within my industry. Its not all doom and gloom.

[stui magpie]

^You can't double down on no knowledge.

Piling on hysterically and conspiratorially in reaction to the latest thing you've read will not improve anyone's lot. Especially when the biggest concern of all is the gaping void of leadership and discipline at home.

You're becoming reactionary to a degree you've never been.

I'm not hysterical, conspiratorial or reactionary and I don't need a detailed historical and cultural knowledge of China to be able to form opinions based on current facts.

Yes you lived in Sth Korea for several years and really got into their culture. That doesn't mean your aggressive defense of Chinese culture that you know bugger all about is in any way justified.

My opinion is mine, yours is yours

[pietillidie]

^You can't double down on no knowledge.

Piling on hysterically and conspiratorially in reaction to the latest thing you've read will not improve anyone's lot. Especially when the biggest concern of all is the gaping void of leadership and discipline at home.

You're becoming reactionary to a degree you've never been.

I'm not hysterical, conspiratorial or reactionary and I don't need a detailed historical and cultural knowledge of China to be able to form opinions based on current facts.

Yes you lived in Sth Korea for several years and really got into their culture. That doesn't mean your aggressive defense of Chinese culture that you know bugger all about is in any way justified.

My opinion is mine, yours is yours

And just how wrong your opinion can be, from Iraq to Donald Trump.

There is nothing to 'defend' about cultures; cultures are because they are. They're part of a flow of forces well beyond anyone's control; there's nothing to 'attack' or 'defend' about them. The reason we try to understand them is to better understand and productively engage people who inhabit those different frameworks.

If you're not trying to do that, all you are doing is reacting and contributing to a populist hysteria. And you know full well that populist hysteria only leads to idiotic electoral decisions and policies. And if you know that, why persist? Do you enjoy contributing to hysteria and the poor judgement which follows?

Face it: you haven't even been to China before; you wouldn't have the slightest concept of the place, let alone how it differs from Korea, Japan and Southeast Asia. You haven't even made an effort to understand the histories and cultures of these places from the comfort of your couch. I don't blame people for not having visited somewhere, but there's no excuse for thinking that this week's news cycle is going to bring you up to speed on something as complex as a civilisation and the life and times of 1.4B people, let alone justify chest beating displays.

Thank gawd you got Brexit right. At least we can hang our hats on that.

[stui magpie]

Blah blah blah China blah blah blah culture blah blah blah {insert insults here}