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“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
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There is no evidence whatsoever that Israel is connected. Hezbollah, Israel & Tehran regularly Sabre rattle. Uninformed mischievous juxtaposition again.

Hezbollah hasn’t done anything significant recently to Israel: they did cross a border or try to. The reaction was bombing of Iranian depots in Syria quite recently.

However, there are unconfirmed reports of welding close by. The Australian government intelligence (apparently not an oxymoron) does not attribute this to an attack as such.
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Morrigu wrote:Hmmm we support Animals Lebanon and follow them and someone posted this link last week - I didnt pay that much attention at that time and I don't know if it is a reputable site but ......

Gantz Instructs IDF to Bomb Lebanese Infrastructure If Hezbollah Harms Soldiers or Civilians

YERUSHALAYIM - Defense Minister Benny Gantz on Thursday instructed the IDF to bomb Lebanese infrastructure if Hezbollah harms IDF soldiers or Israeli civilians.

A senior defense official told Yisrael Hayom that Gantz issued the order to prepare such a response during meetings on Thursday with IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Aviv Kochavi and other members of the general staff.

Tensions have rapidly escalated between Israel and the terrorist organization since the death of Hezbollah terrorist Ali Kamel Mohsen Jawad, along with two other terrorists, during an airstrike on Damascus International Airport earlier this month.

Hezbollah has vowed revenge for Jawad’s death, leading the IDF to move reinforcements to the northern border in preparation for an attack by the Shiite terror organization.

In Thursday’s meetings, Kochavi presented the IDF’s position on the matter, saying Israel must hold Hezbollah and the Lebanese government responsible for any future attack and its consequences.

According to the defense official, Israel didn’t kill the Hezbollah terrorists who attempted to carry out an attack in the Har Dov area on Monday, and didn’t release footage of the incident, in order to give the terror group a chance to save face and de-escalate the situation, but that Hezbollah was not taking the opportunity.

“If [Hezbollah] tries perpetrating another attack, we will see an unusual response from the IDF against [the organization] and the country of Lebanon,” the official said.

https://hamodia.com/2020/07/31/gantz-in ... civilians/

Just awful as if they didn't have enough to cope with already :(
Perhaps Animals Lebanon should stick to animals. Mischievous juxtaposition. Then again deliberate misinformation is par for the course for countries in a state of war.

Israel was one of the first countries to offer assistance and sympathy. I don’t recall ever seeing the reverse. Still.
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^ perhaps you should pull your fckn head in! Animals Lebanon didn’t post it someone posted on their page with a “ I’m scared - will this affect your work” post - they commented that their primary concern and focus is on animal welfare!! Reasonable for someone to be a bit scared I would have thought - quite an aggressive statement by the Israeli Defence Minister IMO.

We are aware and support their work due mainly in part to the number of lions they have rescued from muppets who think it’s a good idea to buy and house a lion cub in a 14th storey flat in Beirut - those lions have been rehomed at the wonderful Drakenstein LP.

They are currently conducting search parties to find the pets of very distressed people who have been horribly impacted by this and are distressed at losing their companion animals - so I think their focus is right where it should be!!!!
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Morrigu wrote:
We are aware and support their work due mainly in part to the number of lions they have rescued from muppets who think it’s a good idea to buy and house a lion cub in a 14th storey flat in Beirut - those lions have been rehomed at the wonderful Drakenstein LP.
WTAF? Seriously? :shock: What kind of intellectually challenged cum-sock puppet does that?
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“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
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It'll be interesting to find out how the fire started.
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Morrigu wrote:^ yep :roll:

Just one example: http://lionrescue.org.za/project/little-leo/
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Morrigu wrote:^ perhaps you should pull your fckn head in! Animals Lebanon didn’t post it someone posted on their page with a “ I’m scared - will this affect your work” post - they commented that their primary concern and focus is on animal welfare!! Reasonable for someone to be a bit scared I would have thought - quite an aggressive statement by the Israeli Defence Minister IMO.

We are aware and support their work due mainly in part to the number of lions they have rescued from muppets who think it’s a good idea to buy and house a lion cub in a 14th storey flat in Beirut - those lions have been rehomed at the wonderful Drakenstein LP.

They are currently conducting search parties to find the pets of very distressed people who have been horribly impacted by this and are distressed at losing their companion animals - so I think their focus is right where it should be!!!!
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So the bomb making chemicals belonged to Hezbollah. They actually stored a lot of the material in Germany and The UK before MI5 and the German version were tipped off by Mossad.

https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/hezboll ... don-637578
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watt price tully wrote:So the bomb making chemicals belonged to Hezbollah.
No they didn’t, though you could be forgiven for coming to that conclusion based on that deceptively headlined article. They’re only saying that Hezbollah had stockpiled the same kind of explosive in other places, not that they had anything to do with the ammonium nitrate that caused this explosion.
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watt price tully wrote:So the bomb making chemicals belonged to Hezbollah.
No.

It was fertiliser. It was not "bomb making chemicals". Ammonium nitrate makes a particularly poor bomb: it is easy to detect ('coz it stinks), and it is not really portable as you need a huge amount of it. There are only two reasons to use it for a bomb: (a) 'coz you are poor and can't afford any proper explosive, and (b) 'coz the particular use you have in mind doesn't require delivery by any orthodox warlike method. (You can't fit enough ammonium nitrate into a warhead to make a decent bang: this rules out delivery via artillery shell, hand grenade, guided missile, smart bomb, dumb bomb, torpedo, or rocket. You need an entire truck to cart enough of it to do any serious damage.)

So it wasn't "bomb making material". It was fertiliser.

Secondly, it had been sitting in a warehouse on the dockside for six long years because nobody wanted it or knew who owned it.
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so.... a poorly controlled situation caused an .....accident. they do happen hey! who knew
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There were attempts to get it moved on, but unsuccessful.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/05/euro ... index.html
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