Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[Pies4shaw]

^ Yes. Details in my previous post, if anyone is interested.

[Dark Beanie]

Thanks P4S.

Good that both primary and secondary contacts being told to isolate.

Still a concern that the source of the initial outbreaks here and in Sydney (Avalon) have not been fully identified.

[watt price tully]

Funny thing is, Gladys is using the same strategy that Andrews tried when the hotel quarantine outbreak happened. The difference is, Andrews failed and had to resort to hard lockdown, Gladys is succeeding.

That was not Andrews Fault that the Securiy Guards where Idiots

No, but it was Andrews fault that the contact tracing team was woefully under resourced, in terms of staffing, systems and processes.

That was then, this is now. Andrews has supposedly improved his contact tracing resources to be equal to what NSW has had since day dot

Yes and no:

One needs of an overview, a context.

NSW were always lucky enough to have a strong and charismatic scientist / person who drove decentralisation of testing / immunological supports and was able to persuade the powers that be to not only develop it but maintain it.

In Victoria under Kennett we cut a lot of non acute services. The logic and culture of Economic Rationalism was at it’s zenith under the Kennett years. This was continued under various Labour Governments.

Victoria led the country in terms of acute health and in many respects it still does. We never had a culture or a structure that was decentralised. However, if you have a stroke, Car Accident or Heart attack you’d rather be in Victoria. However, this came / comes at a cost.

Emergency Department waiting lists, elective surgery where the media was focusing attention too was really well dealt with: Category 1& 2 presentations to ED (universal triage categories) on a 1-5 scale with 1 being immediate attention for a heart attack, stroke etc were miles ahead in Vic. The cost however was to the type of immunological decentralisation they had in NSW. In terms of the 1 in 100 year event the cutbacks (cost) have been felt in Victoria in the second wave especially.

[stui magpie]

^

yes, but you missed a few pieces.

1. Labor have had 16 of the last 20 years in power since the Kennet years, anything he did that they haven't fixed is on them not him

2. it's not just that the testing / immunological supports were centralised, they were woefully understaffed, using antiquated manual systems. Andrews I understand boosted number during the first wave but once it looked like they had everything under control he cut numbers back again so when the second wave hit they were totally overwhelmed

Having that capacity in testing / immunological supports should be your 1 wood when dealing with these situations and lockdowns and border closures the weapon of last resort.

[eddiesmith]

Funny thing is, Gladys is using the same strategy that Andrews tried when the hotel quarantine outbreak happened. The difference is, Andrews failed and had to resort to hard lockdown, Gladys is succeeding.

That was not Andrews Fault that the Securiy Guards where Idiots

How were the security guards idiots? Have you read the hq inquiry report? It was a complete shambles and to blame the poor bastards having to work three jobs instead of overpaid government ministers who set it up incompetently is pathetic.

[Dave The Man]

https://twitter.com/kate_cole_/status/1 ... 11521?s=20

Looks like some people in Sydney have not Learnt Yet

[eddiesmith]

Learnt what? They were following the rules in place, obviously some sheep chose to wear their cheap Chinese crap over their faces because they think it makes them morally superior. But in reality they just look like an idiot.

[David]

That’s a bit offensive to people who are just trying to be responsible. Like you (I presume), I personally hate wearing masks, but I understand that the more people who do when indoors, the less chance there is of viral transmission. Doesn’t seem like rocket science and I’m perplexed that anyone treats this as a topic of debate.

[eddiesmith]

I just get annoyed at this new commentary coming out of some people in Victoria who suddenly think masks are the holy grail and you can’t beat it without everyone wearing one all the time.

Do they work? Maybe. Do they make sense when you’ve got high number of cases and in some settings? Probably

But NSW isn’t anywhere near that, atleast Gladys is sensible and only brought them in for Sydney, unlike Dan who had people walking down the street wearing masks in towns who were hundreds of kilometres from anyone who’d ever had the virus and even further from any active cases.

The fact they rushed back in indoor mask wearing with a handful of cases is just stupidity. But Dan himself admitted his mask policy wasn’t based on health advice but was his own captains choice. Sutton was pushing for no masks outdoors whilst Dan kept holding out. Because Dan knows more than his CHO

But then no one likes my conspiracy theory about how the mask policy only came in once the market was flooded with those cheap things from China...Before that Dan abused people who wore masks!

[watt price tully]

That’s a bit offensive to people who are just trying to be responsible. Like you (I presume), I personally hate wearing masks, but I understand that the more people who do when indoors, the less chance there is of viral transmission. Doesn’t seem like rocket science and I’m perplexed that anyone treats this as a topic of debate.

Why bother talking to Eddie?

First he told us that the wearing of masks was a conspiracy between Daniel Andrews and the Chinese Government
Then he tells us he knows more than the experts do regarding the wearing of masks.
He even falsely & continually asserts that others say that the wearing of masks is the only tactic in stopping the spread: a deliberate straw man argument
There’s no point in arguing with a person who continually declares their foolishness and has such an obvious chip on their shoulder.

[eddiesmith]

Says the person who’s idea of an expert is simply anyone who supports Dan Andrew’s decisions.

No one else in the world who doesn’t support universal mask wearing can be an expert according to your bias view.

Hence why an ABC media personality is an expert and the CHOs in every state in Australia are not.

[stui magpie]

Can anyone point out where it says in this how long I'm supposed to stay at home for?

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/quar ... outh-wales

I git a text last night to say my results are back, expecting a call from the GP this morning.

[watt price tully]

If wasn’t clear already the top medical and epidemiological experts in NSW are saying what we all knew:

NSW have been too slow in both mandatory mask wearing and lockdown. They are also saying NSW should have learnt from Victoria that soft lockdowns don’t work.

One of top Epidemiologists Professor Mary-Louise McLaws from the University of New South Wales this morning said on radio that the NSW response has been like Clint Eastwood’s line “Are you feeling lucky?”

[think positive]

That’s a bit offensive to people who are just trying to be responsible. Like you (I presume), I personally hate wearing masks, but I understand that the more people who do when indoors, the less chance there is of viral transmission. Doesn’t seem like rocket science and I’m perplexed that anyone treats this as a topic of debate.

Why bother talking to Eddie?

First he told us that the wearing of masks was a conspiracy between Daniel Andrews and the Chinese Government
Then he tells us he knows more than the experts do regarding the wearing of masks.
He even falsely & continually asserts that others say that the wearing of masks is the only tactic in stopping the spread: a deliberate straw man argument
There’s no point in arguing with a person who continually declares their foolishness and has such an obvious chip on their shoulder.

yeah i stuck up for him but he is being ridiculous

one thing this virus really highlights, just who is a self centred bugger that doesnt care about the welfare of others.

Alister Clarkson and the shark came out over Christmas and described just what its like to suffer from the virus, good reading for those who think its just the flu. you know, aside form the people that died from it!

[watt price tully]

Only 3 cases in Victoria today (from the NSW clusters) and a whopping 33,000 people tested. Well done to those getting tested (and the testers)