Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[watt price tully]

No new cases in NSW however there is one they are looking into who has come forward who may be part of another contact cluster.

Why they persist in having a crowd at the SCG beggars belief.

[What'sinaname]

No new cases in NSW however there is one they are looking into who has come forward who may be part of another contact cluster.

Why they persist in having a crowd at the SCG beggars belief.

Because they are proving to be proficient at identifying and dealing with breakouts without the need to lock down.

Credit where it's due, NSW seem to handle these breakouts really well.

[Pies4shaw]

No new cases in Victoria today.

Great news.

How many in Washington DC?

306 new cases and 5 new deaths, since you ask. The population of the District of Columbia is just under 706,000 - so that would be equivalent to about 11,000 cases a day and 175 deaths a day in Australia. Of course, they may not have counted everyone in the last 24 hours, yet, in DC.

[roar]

^^ Probably because they have shown they can get it under control. Lot's of Victorians gleefully predicting their downfall due to not being hard and fast enough with the reaction but they have certainly shown us.

[Pies4shaw]

From the ABC blog:

Genomic testing has confirmed that a mystery case of coronavirus that emerged in Melbourne yesterday is linked to the outbreak on Sydney's northern beaches.

[think positive]

^^ Probably because they have shown they can get it under control. Lot's of Victorians gleefully predicting their downfall due to not being hard and fast enough with the reaction but they have certainly shown us.

giving it away isn’t under control

[eddiesmith]

No new cases in NSW however there is one they are looking into who has come forward who may be part of another contact cluster.

Why they persist in having a crowd at the SCG beggars belief.

Because they are proving to be proficient at identifying and dealing with breakouts without the need to lock down.

Credit where it's due, NSW seem to handle these breakouts really well.

Oh no you can’t give credit to NSW because they are doing things differently to Dan and only Dans way works!

Besides with zero cases today apparently it’s still completely out of control...

[eddiesmith]

From the ABC blog:

Genomic testing has confirmed that a mystery case of coronavirus that emerged in Melbourne yesterday is linked to the outbreak on Sydney's northern beaches.

So most likely linked to the black rock cluster after all, probably went and visited someone he shouldn’t have

[stui magpie]

The Sydney virus is contagious & the numbers being tested there is lower than in Victoria.

Ba Bow, wrong.

Vic 169,000 tests in the past 7 days, NSW 192,000.

If the same logic applied within Victoria as it does to Victorians in regional NSW, you'd be self isolating now.

6/1/2021 Testing:

37,509 tested in Victoria and NSW tested 32,667

Just sayin'

Your boner for Dandrews knows no bounds.

NSW does 22,000 more tests than Victoria in a week and you pick the one day Vic did more tests as evidence that Vic is testing more.

[stui magpie]

Nah, keep it tight, IMO. We obviously aren't equipped to deal with an outbreak so we need to keep the border closed hard.

I feel some pity for those that may miss a funeral or are missing their parents or whatever, but not enough to risk another lockdown.

I'm still shitty that the tennis is set to go ahead as I think that will be the cause of another six months of misery.

Problem is, we should be equipped to deal with it.

No, problem is that we are not equipped to deal with it. Why the "should" isn't "are" is part of another discussion. Right now, the most important thing is that we avoid another outbreak and we can't do that if we keep the borders open.

And yes, I do fear another lockdown more than the virus itself, and I have no issue admitting that so all those people that have been traveling to the other side of the Murray for generations will just have take a year off. When faced with the alternative, I really find it hard to care too much about their traditional holiday.

And that's the thing. Yes the lockdown saved lives but it also adversely impacted millions of people and likely indirectly killed as many people in Victoria as the virus has.

NSW is proving that if you have top quality leadership, people, systems and processes it's possible to contain an outbreak to manageable numbers and bring community transmission down to zero with targeted interventions without needing to resort to statewide draconian measures.

[Pies4shaw]

the lockdown ... likely indirectly killed as many people in Victoria as the virus has.

What's your evidentiary basis for that?

[stui magpie]

The reason I used the term "likely" is that it's based on anecdotal information. Many many people had their mental health impacted whether they actually reported that or not, others were impacted in different ways.

I've read, seen and heard personal examples from different people of how they lost loved ones.

There will be multiple categories of casualties:

- Those who didn't/couldn't go to medical appointments and were diagnosed too late for treatment

- Those who suicided after escalating mental health issues bought on by lockdown

- those who ceased taking necessary medication or other passive means of suicide out of loneliness

[Pies4shaw]

There will, of course, be multiple categories of people saved by the lockdown, too (including people whose mental health dramatically improved by not being required to attend their workplaces) - but if there isn't any hard data, it's not a debate I will engage in.

Ultimately, we can assess this in a year or two when we can reliably track changes in mortality rates during the relevant period (and exclude those deaths attributable directly to COVID infection).

[roar]

Problem is, we should be equipped to deal with it.

No, problem is that we are not equipped to deal with it. Why the "should" isn't "are" is part of another discussion. Right now, the most important thing is that we avoid another outbreak and we can't do that if we keep the borders open.

And yes, I do fear another lockdown more than the virus itself, and I have no issue admitting that so all those people that have been traveling to the other side of the Murray for generations will just have take a year off. When faced with the alternative, I really find it hard to care too much about their traditional holiday.

And that's the thing. Yes the lockdown saved lives but it also adversely impacted millions of people and likely indirectly killed as many people in Victoria as the virus has.

Which is exactly why we need to stop it before it starts. Wishing we were better doesn't change the fact that we're not and until we are we must do what we can to prevent it occurring.

[stui magpie]

There will, of course, be multiple categories of people saved by the lockdown, too (including people whose mental health dramatically improved by not being required to attend their workplaces) - but if there isn't any hard data, it's not a debate I will engage in.

Ultimately, we can assess this in a year or two when we can reliably track changes in mortality rates during the relevant period (and exclude those deaths attributable directly to COVID infection).

It's not a winnable debate either way.

The lockdown definitely saved lives because it stopped the outbreak, getting clear empirical data on the number of lives ruined or lost because of the lockdown will be near impossible.