Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[Jezza]

As I said before he showed no leadership by downplaying the virus and by making out it was no worse than the flu.It influenced people,especially his own supporters,and led them to taking risks they shouldn’t have.It was negligence on a massive scale on his part,and it did cost lives.

I don't disagree, but I think it's overstated what the President's functions and powers are during the pandemic.

Even now, we can see Biden is limited in what he can do to curb the outbreaks.

[Jezza]

Whataboutery is no defence for Trump. You know he’s not even a conservative.

What's this got to do with conservatism?

Trump is a right wing populist. It's not some big secret.

[doriswilgus]

I've never defended Trump but because Danny boy $%$ed it up worse than anyone in Australia people like to deflect and call anyone who doesn't support Dan a Trump apologist.

It is apparently hard for you lot to understand that not everyone actually gives a shit what happens on the other side of the world. Yet the same people who hate Australia's alliance with America, hate people acting like Americans are completely obsessed now with US politics because Trump has managed to trigger you all.

Oh so you deny being a Trump defender,but you just coincidentally manage to mock anyone who dares to criticise him and then you bring Daniel Andrews into the argument.Pull the other one,Eddie.It’s pretty clear who you are.Why don’t you just admit to your political allegiances?

[eddiesmith]

It'd be pretty hard to be a trump supporter or defender when I couldn't tell you a damn thing he did in his 4 years as President, other than trigger a lot of hate of leftards.

I just like to point out your hypocrisy, you complain if Trump holds rallies but protesting was ok.

You complain that Trump mocked mask wearing, but Danny boy telling people not to wear masks was ok. When he did that we actually had community spread, unlike this current outbreak which he's trying to force people to wear masks outdoors again, against the CHO advice...

You don't have to support Trump to point out your hypocrisy when you condemn him for doing things yet have no problem with a Labor premier or left wing nutjobs doing the same thing.

[doriswilgus]

Another thing Trump did that was totally irresponsible was holding rallies when the second wave was at its peak in America.Thiusands of people crammed into stands,no social distancing,most of them not wearing masks.All of these events were super spreader events just as the virus was getting out of crontrol.How many people got infected from these tallies,how many people died from attending them?But I suppose the Trumpistas here it was all right because they were on their side,and Trump can do no wrong in their eyes anyway.

But protests were alright!

Biden actually held rallies where people sat in their cars so they wouldn’t transmit the virus.He didn’t make people protest,if you’re referring to the BLM prostests.Nice try at deflection,but another fail,

[eddiesmith]

Biden actually held rallies where people sat in their cars so they wouldn’t transmit the virus.He didn’t make people protest,if you’re referring to the BLM prostests.Nice try at deflection,but another fail,

So you supported the BLM protests or are you a racist?

[doriswilgus]

It'd be pretty hard to be a trump supporter or defender when I couldn't tell you a damn thing he did in his 4 years as President, other than trigger a lot of hate of leftards.

I just like to point out your hypocrisy, you complain if Trump holds rallies but protesting was ok.

You complain that Trump mocked mask wearing, but Danny boy telling people not to wear masks was ok. When he did that we actually had community spread, unlike this current outbreak which he's trying to force people to wear masks outdoors again, against the CHO advice...

You don't have to support Trump to point out your hypocrisy when you condemn him for doing things yet have no problem with a Labor premier or left wing nutjobs doing the same thing.

You’re doing exactly what you’re accusing me of.You’re attacking Andrews for his handling of the pandemic,but letting Trump off the hook.And Trump did mock people for wearing masks,it’s on the public record.I don’t know why you keep defending the indefensible..Comparing Andrews to Trump is a false equivalence.Andrews never mocked people for wearing masks or played down the virus the way Trump did.That’s an indisputable fact.

[doriswilgus]

So you supported the BLM protests or are you a racist?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

[Jezza]

People need a level head in a “reported crisis” not the nervous nellies saying the sky is falling. The twice elected Premier of Victoria, the right honourable Daniel Andrews is doing just that as his team are.

Heady times needs a cool hand. A Velvet glove covering a hand of steel.

The twice elected Premier of Victoria has panicked and sent the whole state into lockdown because he doesn't trust his contact tracing team to get the outbreak under control.

There's a lot of things to describe Andrews, but being a "cool hand" isn't one of them.

[eddiesmith]

It'd be pretty hard to be a trump supporter or defender when I couldn't tell you a damn thing he did in his 4 years as President, other than trigger a lot of hate of leftards.

I just like to point out your hypocrisy, you complain if Trump holds rallies but protesting was ok.

You complain that Trump mocked mask wearing, but Danny boy telling people not to wear masks was ok. When he did that we actually had community spread, unlike this current outbreak which he's trying to force people to wear masks outdoors again, against the CHO advice...

You don't have to support Trump to point out your hypocrisy when you condemn him for doing things yet have no problem with a Labor premier or left wing nutjobs doing the same thing.

You’re doing exactly what you’re accusing me of.You’re attacking Andrews for his handling of the pandemic,but letting Trump off the hook.And Trump did mock people for wearing masks,it’s on the public record.I don’t know why you keep defending the indefensible..Comparing Andrews to Trump is a false equivalence.Andrews never mocked people for wearing masks or played down the virus the way Trump did.That’s an indisputable fact.

Because what Trump does has no impact on my life and I don't give a shit what happens in America, the UK or China. Their governments actions are not important so to condemn Trump I'd actually have to have paid attention to what was happening over there.

Yet I imagine you are very aware what's actually happening and affecting Victorians due to Andrews incompetence?

Mr Andrews reiterated that people who did not have coronavirus symptoms should not be wearing face masks.

"The advice has been very consistent from the Chief Health Officer of Victoria, wearing a mask is wasting a mask, that's a mask that won't be available when it's actually needed."

So you supported the BLM protests or are you a racist?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

Well that's what was said if you didn't support BLM during the pandemic you were racist, so which are you? A supporter of protesting during a pandemic or a racist?

[watt price tully]

Everyone is quick to blame the President, but much like here, most of the decisions are made by the States. Trump could close the borders..which he did 31 January from China, 11 March from the EU. What we saw in NY was all Cuomo.

Telling people it was no big deal,mocking people who wore masks didn’t help the situation either.It gave people,mostly his supporters who believe everything he says,a false sense of security that ended up costing lives.There was a recent report that stated that America’s death toll could have been 40% lower if he had actually taken the coronavirus seriously.But hey,it’s never his fault is it?It’s always someone else’s fault,isn’t it?

I think you’re understating Trumps negligent role in the face of half a million deaths in the United States.

Was it Biden or Trump who said it was like a flu?
Was it Biden or Trump who said we have this all under control?
Was it Biden or Trump who said we can inject bleach as a treatment?
Was it Biden or Trump who infected his own staff and others?
Was it Biden or Trump who was cavalier about the wearing of masks?

Of course Randy Rainbow puts it best:

https://youtu.be/DPDPzbLFeP4

[watt price tully]

Biden actually held rallies where people sat in their cars so they wouldn’t transmit the virus.He didn’t make people protest,if you’re referring to the BLM prostests.Nice try at deflection,but another fail,

So you supported the BLM protests or are you a racist?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

Jezza is worth responding to, not Eddiesmith though. I deal with delusional people daily: I should know.

You see Eddie can’t help lying. He knows that saying Andrews never supported the BLM protest but keeps on suggesting he did despite evidence to the contrary.

You see Eddie puts out a quote early on from Andrews that is early on in the Corona virus but changed this when scientific evidence said it was needed. Eddie rather than dealing with facts is trying to manufacture an issue when none exists.

Jezza, I worry about Jezza but he can be reasoned with and can be reasonable. Why he wants to defend Trump is beyond me ( especially in relation to the Coronavirus)

[eddiesmith]

I suppose to deal with delusional people it helps to be delusional yourself...

[doriswilgus]

It'd be pretty hard to be a trump supporter or defender when I couldn't tell you a damn thing he did in his 4 years as President, other than trigger a lot of hate of leftards.

I just like to point out your hypocrisy, you complain if Trump holds rallies but protesting was ok.

You complain that Trump mocked mask wearing, but Danny boy telling people not to wear masks was ok. When he did that we actually had community spread, unlike this current outbreak which he's trying to force people to wear masks outdoors again, against the CHO advice...

You don't have to support Trump to point out your hypocrisy when you condemn him for doing things yet have no problem with a Labor premier or left wing nutjobs doing the same thing.

You’re doing exactly what you’re accusing me of.You’re attacking Andrews for his handling of the pandemic,but letting Trump off the hook.And Trump did mock people for wearing masks,it’s on the public record.I don’t know why you keep defending the indefensible..Comparing Andrews to Trump is a false equivalence.Andrews never mocked people for wearing masks or played down the virus the way Trump did.That’s an indisputable fact.

Because what Trump does has no impact on my life and I don't give a shit what happens in America, the UK or China. Their governments actions are not important so to condemn Trump I'd actually have to have paid attention to what was happening over there.

Yet I imagine you are very aware what's actually happening and affecting Victorians due to Andrews incompetence?

Mr Andrews reiterated that people who did not have coronavirus symptoms should not be wearing face masks.

"The advice has been very consistent from the Chief Health Officer of Victoria, wearing a mask is wasting a mask, that's a mask that won't be available when it's actually needed."

So you supported the BLM protests or are you a racist?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

Well that's what was said if you didn't support BLM during the pandemic you were racist, so which are you? A supporter of protesting during a pandemic or a racist?

I certainly never said that about the BLM protests,so your question is totally irrelevant.And I must say,for someone who has no interest in America,or for Trump in particular,you certainly have a lot to say,and you get especially hot under the collar whenever he’s criticised.But I can understand your reluctance to admit to being a supporter.His name is mud around the world now,so it’s perfectly understandable that you wouldn’t want to admit to being a supporter,at least publicly..I would probably do the same thing,if I were in your position.

[watt price tully]

So you supported the BLM protests or are you a racist?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

Very or incredibly is the answer you’re looking for.