Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[eddiesmith]

^ but....but....Dan......gold standard.......Twice elected.......

AMA must be Liberal plants.

Or evil Murdoch journalists

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Stui said in part

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Gotta love distraction, ....doing a pile on on Trump in the Coronavirus thread.

Well played

WPT replied:

David introduced the New York Governor and it went from there. To suggest it was distraction is an incorrect reading of how Trump got introduced. Some silly defenders of Trump weren’t allowed to get away with nonsense in defending him, that’s all.

I know it’s hard for country people to keep up especially when they’re from NSW

[pietillidie]

I can't tell how bad Andrews has done from this thread because you all seem to be arguing tribal political trivia and Australia's numbers are incredibly good overall. Mum is in Victoria and what she has relayed, apart from the behaviour of careless morons, seems quite good.

However, I do understand he seems to have made a hash of quarantine hotels. The first outbreak is understandable, but any others are unforgivable. These things need to be treated with nuclear vigilance.

But Cuomo seems to have engaged in Trump-level criminal negligence and cover up. Now Trump has been somewhat dealt with, the US needs to deal with him.

Boris Johnson will receive an award from the Tories marking 120,000 deaths, billions of dollars given to mates to manufacture items they've never heard of at ten times their actual cost, and the abandonment of his tenth child at a truck stop in Kent.

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Pretty damning assessment from the Australian Medical Association (AMA).

'Victoria cannot be trusted to run quarantine' - medical association

Experts in Australia are "gobsmacked" to learn the hotel quarantine programme was left out of Victoria's key taskforce on infection control for frontline health workers and the policies were not applied to the embattled system.

The Australian Medical Association (AMA) has also declared Victoria "cannot be trusted" to manage hotel quarantine until it is fully restructured after Victoria was this week forced into a third lockdown due to a cluster at the Holiday Inn hotel quarantine site at Melbourne Airport.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/436374 ... ssociation

AMA’s a privileged Trade Union who were against Medicare when it was first introduced calling it socialist before you were born. I’d take them with a grain of salt.

[Pies4shaw]

That's because it's irrelevant to people who are interested in dealing with the problem. Nothing that happened in the US (or Australia for that matter) since February 2020 has been China's fault in any relevant sense. It's only useful for apportioning blame and telling people to look somewhere else, which is exactly why the neo-Nazi ex-president of the US wanted to do it. He obviously sucked you in, Jezza.

you should card yourself for that.

It's funny how everyone who isn't to the right of centre is a "socialist" in the eyes of so many conservatives but so many conservatives get so touchy about you calling an actual neo-Nazi a neo-Nazi.

[Pies4shaw]

^ That is the opposite of my recollection, TP. What I do recall is the Supreme Court striking down some restraints on religious gatherings and the like last October. FWIW, here the (US) ABC's timeline of the early steps that Cuomo and Trump did and didn't take:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/timeline-cuom ... d=69914641

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/2 ... rus-152812

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-29/ ... n/12100466

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-gov- ... ntine.html

That's in the ABC timeline that I linked. It wasn't a proposal for a "shutdown of New York" - Trump talked garbage for a few minutes in his usual incendiary way, essentially tossing up the possibility of putting a ring around 3 States (a giant quarantine, if you will - not a shutdown of New York) and then walked it back later the same day. It was part of his general strategy to blame everybody else - "if you can't sort it out, we might have to put a ring around 3 States". It was yet another "go to hell in a bucket" response.

[Pies4shaw]

He won't need to spin anything. He may, though, need to take out a couple of public servants or advisers, as the case may be, and shoot them for giving him incorrect information, if the chap with the nebulizer isn't telling porkies.

"Victorian hotel quarantine chief Emma Cassar stands by statement her team was not told about nebuliser": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... r/13152276

[eddiesmith]

He won't need to spin anything. He may, though, need to take out a couple of public servants or advisers, as the case may be, and shoot them for giving him incorrect information, if the chap with the nebulizer isn't telling porkies.

"Victorian hotel quarantine chief Emma Cassar stands by statement her team was not told about nebuliser": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... r/13152276

The same Emma who blamed the media for making him the scapegoat...

Yes Emma, it was the media who came out and said someone was using a nebuliser they’d snuck into hotel quarantine...

With the minister on a very convenient 2 weeks leave, Ms Cassar will find herself as the scapegoat for the governments failures here.

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Riding home tonight from work: left at about 22:20 and boy it was eerily quiet. Barely any cars as you’d expect. The CBD was amazing. Great time to ride a bike: one of the unintended consequences (which I’m enjoying)

Only one dickhead Uber driver parking across some of the bicycle lane & allowing a passenger to use the drivers side rear door to exit. Luckily I was watching this & could plan with few cars on the lane next to me while I was doing about 32km’s an hour down a small hill in StKilda. A few choice words. Apart from being illegal it’s highly dangerous.

[What'sinaname]

"Victorian hotel quarantine chief Emma Cassar stands by statement her team was not told about nebuliser": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... r/13152276

That just proves how incompetent the system is. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

Ignorance is no defence.

[Pies4shaw]

In Victoria, 3 new cases reported this morning. 2 local, 1 in quarantine.

[Pies4shaw]

All of that is, or should be, uncontroversial. What flabbergasts me is how few people seem to appreciate the failings of Andrew Cuomo, who, in charge of the world's tenth-largest jurisdiction (in economic terms), was criminally negligent, breathtakingly arrogant, an expert at blame-shifting and now, we see, attempted to cover up his own mistakes in sending vulnerable people to virus-infested nursing homes. He's one of the real villains of the US response to the pandemic, to my mind, and deserves to be discussed in the same terms as Trump is.

Your assessment of Cuomo is spot on. He's hands down the worst governor in the US. At least people are finally waking up to the extent of his negligence in sending COVID patients into nursing homes.

Imagine anyone buying his book about leadership of dealing with the pandemic

https://www.amazon.com.au/American-Cris ... B08F4J56ZT

Cuomo’s fall from grace should prompt us to interrogate why he was put on a pedestal to begin with. The man was treated like the second coming just because he was slightly less incompetent than Trump.

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The undeserved hype around Cuomo reflects the dangerous way in which style has triumphed over substance in politics. It also reflects the way in which, when it comes to leadership, we reward charisma and confidence over competence. Cuomo-mania may have died down, but I wouldn’t imagine that the current bad press will have a lasting effect on Cuomo’s career. The thing about guys like him is that they always fail up. Still, I do hope that if we’ve learned one leadership lesson from Cuomo it’s that we desperately need to rethink what a real leader looks like.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... oronavirus

[Tannin]

With the minister on a very convenient 2 weeks leave

She's in fuuckiing hospital. Get it right.

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FFS, David, look what you have done to this thread! Any chance you can fix it?

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However, I do understand he seems to have made a hash of quarantine hotels. The first outbreak is understandable, but any others are unforgivable. These things need to be treated with nuclear vigilance.

Exactly!