Israeli–Palestinian conflict

[stui magpie]

Context differs depending on your viewpoint.

People who created that meme would likely be of the view that Israel is on stolen land and they should kicked out and the land handed over to people of a nation that never existed.

I don't subscribe to that view.

[stui magpie]

Example.

Israeli actress Gal Gadot makes this tweet.

https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/139 ... 39/photo/1

and gets hammered by so called progressives for it.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/c ... 660eb2d955

[stui magpie]

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1392764137185423362

[David]

Context differs depending on your viewpoint.

People who created that meme would likely be of the view that Israel is on stolen land and they should kicked out and the land handed over to people of a nation that never existed.

I don't subscribe to that view.

Views are views and nearly everyone invested in one side or the other has an agenda, but I've been loosely following this for a few weeks now and as far as I can tell everything in that meme is true.

[stui magpie]

It may well be, but keep in mind who's attacking and who's retaliating.

Hamas is firing rockets into Israel indiscriminately, hoping to kill or maim as many innocents as possible.

Israel has good defensive mechanisms so their death toll is minimal

Israel fire back at the rocket launch sites which Hamas has deliberately placed near innocent civilians, resulting in casualties. Their intent is to detroy the rocket launch sites, not to kill innocents.

I put it to you that it's Hamas that's to blame for any Palestinian casualties.

[David]

^ I know there’s a lot of pro-Israeli propaganda around, but even given that I don’t know how anyone could reasonably believe that the Palestinians are the attackers and Israel is merely retaliating. Like, it’s actually depressing to read that.

[stui magpie]

Israel don't fire missiles at the Palestinians unless they are fired upon first, do they?

[stui magpie]

[pietillidie]

Bernie writes:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/opin ... -gaza.html

[watt price tully]

This current episode started off with Israeli hubris. However the winners now are the Islamofascists of Hamas and Netanyahu on the Israeli side: the former because they had become largely irrelevant and the latter as he was on his way out with current corruption proceedings and a coalition forming without him. Continuation of the conflict will serve Netanyahu’s interests.

Continuation will operate against Hamas’s interests.

The losers will be the civilians as per usual and mostly Palestinian civilians. However, statistics so to speak are invariably hard to corroborate in Gaza. Hamas does not allow independent verification and amplifies civilian casualties while Israel minimises that by referring to Hamas and Islamic Jihad amongst the casualties.

Hamas will be seen as the Muslim world defenders of Jerusalem however their continued use of missiles into Israel has lost the initial support they would have got from Biden.

[David]

^ I don’t disagree with much of that, but surely you’re dreaming if you thought Biden would ever say a word in Palestinians’ favour.

Israel don't fire missiles at the Palestinians unless they are fired upon first, do they?

Much of this was started by unprovoked attacks from Israelis. As per page 1, there were numerous cases of attacks on Palestinians by right-wing extremist Israelis (who the government does nothing to rein in) and then the military attacking protesters, long before any missiles were fired.

[watt price tully]

^ I don’t disagree with much of that, but surely you’re dreaming if you thought Biden would ever say a word in Palestinians’ favour.

Israel don't fire missiles at the Palestinians unless they are fired upon first, do they?

Much of this was started by unprovoked attacks from Israelis. As per page 1, there were numerous cases of attacks on Palestinians by right-wing extremist Israelis (who the government does nothing to rein in) and then the military attacking protesters, long before any missiles were fired.

No, Biden was no lover of Netanyahu, why would the democrats be that given the contemptible way he treated Obama and his love fest for Trump. At the same time the so called 2 state solution which Netanyahu has done his best to sabotage means some justice for Palestinians. In that way Biden was cautious in the beginning. However, once the barrage of missiles occurred then end of story so to speak.

[watt price tully]

Military ruse: The Israeli’s told the western media mostly that there was an ground offensive, an incursion into Gaza. This was quickly and widely reported.

As a consequence, Hamas moved their fighters underground into their labyrinthine network of tunnels referred to as the “Metro”. Once this occurred Israel pounded the tunnels, destroying the tunnels (? To what extent) killing the fighters in the tunnels. 2 hrs later or so they changed the message they gave the media as no ground incursion occurred:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-he ... ed-dozens/

[5 from the wing on debut]

Natural selection.

[stui magpie]

Military ruse: The Israeli’s told the western media mostly that there was an ground offensive, an incursion into Gaza. This was quickly and widely reported.

As a consequence, Hamas moved their fighters underground into their labyrinthine network of tunnels referred to as the “Metro”. Once this occurred Israel pounded the tunnels, destroying the tunnels (? To what extent) killing the fighters in the tunnels. 2 hrs later or so they changed the message they gave the media as no ground incursion occurred:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-he ... ed-dozens/

Nice work.