Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[Pies4shaw]

Their claims sounded completely ridiculous and they're having to backtrack very, very quickly.

Yet still Merlino kept repeating the false claim it's the most contagious strain we've seen yet...

4,000+ close contacts, 350+ sites, 60 cases, wow, so so contagious...

They were making the claims on the back of cases like these. They can only interpret the data they have. Whatever the claim, presumably the Acting Premier was making it on advice. I don't usually pay much attention to what the politicians say about the epidemiology. The CHO, though, was using very colourful language, presumably because that was his best understanding of the situation at the time. Obviously, if you go from being concerned about how a bloke at a pub caught the disease from someone who walked past to a revised understanding that that didn't happen, you review your hypothesis. Sutton was very concerned about both the apparent ease with which the strain was being transmitted and how quickly people appeared to be becoming infectious. That concern was obviously driven, in part at least, by these false positives.

[Dave The Man]

How will Goverment know IF you used QR Code or not?

They won't. It's to help with contact tracing.

If you check in using the QR code everywhere you go, if you catch Covid they can quickly check everywhere you've been because it's a single Vic database. You don't have to remember, they don't have to rely on bank statements or receipts.

Then they can contact everyone else who checked in around the same times at the same places as you and tell them to get tested and isolate ASAP rather than relying on those people to read news and check exposure sites online.

NSW had a single statewide QR code system running while we were still in lockdown 2, Victoria finally got theirs working properly and made it mandatory 2 weeks ago. That's poor.

It's been clearly demonstrated again that Victoria is not capable of containing an outbreak without locking down. Not doubting the effort of the contact tracers but you have to query the direction, systems and processes they're following. If people use the QR code checkin it makes contact tracing quicker, more effieicent and more accurate, meaning less lockdowns.

With Melbourne can't contain a Outbreak then we should not be taking anyone outside of the State in just in Case 1 Person has Covid

[Dave The Man]

Nonsense Stui, and you know it. We have 40 million doses of the superior Pfizer vaccine either already here or on order for delivery this year. That alone is enough to vaccinate every single Australian twice.

But we also have 20 million Modena doses on order for delivery this year. Added to the Pfizer already mentioned, that is enough to vaccinate every adult Australian three times. And subject to regulatory approval, we have 51 million does on Novavax on order.

In other words, we have superior vaccines already ordered in quantities sufficient to vaccinate every adult Australia somewhere between three times and five times without even counting the flawed, less effective AZ vaccine at all.

(And WTF are they going to do with all those tens of millions of surplus doses once every Australian is vaccinated? Give them to a poor country? I hope so. But with this mob, who can say?)

Read AZ and Pfizer work pretty much the Same Effectivness

[stui magpie]

With Melbourne can't contain a Outbreak then we should not be taking anyone outside of the State in just in Case 1 Person has Covid

No, we need to get better at being able to contain outbreaks.

Constantly improving contact tracing and doing the QR code will help.

[eddiesmith]

Their claims sounded completely ridiculous and they're having to backtrack very, very quickly.

Yet still Merlino kept repeating the false claim it's the most contagious strain we've seen yet...

4,000+ close contacts, 350+ sites, 60 cases, wow, so so contagious...

They were making the claims on the back of cases like these. They can only interpret the data they have. Whatever the claim, presumably the Acting Premier was making it on advice. I don't usually pay much attention to what the politicians say about the epidemiology. The CHO, though, was using very colourful language, presumably because that was his best understanding of the situation at the time. Obviously, if you go from being concerned about how a bloke at a pub caught the disease from someone who walked past to a revised understanding that that didn't happen, you review your hypothesis. Sutton was very concerned about both the apparent ease with which the strain was being transmitted and how quickly people appeared to be becoming infectious. That concern was obviously driven, in part at least, by these false positives.

They jumped the gun and made fools of themselves in order to justify extending the lockdown.

Imagine if they’d decided to keep all of regional Victoria locked down because of Anglesea? Like how they kept Regional Victoria locked down because of cases in Geelong...

But still their claims sound ridiculous when you consider how many people brush past in those settings, yet 1 person catching it means it is suddenly highly infectious? That’s the thing, to say it’s transmitting easily yet only reaching 1/200+ people they have e the same contact with doesn’t sound highly infectious to anyone else.

Every expert other than the government has called them idiots. Even the ABC is bringing out expert after expert to refute their claims. When the ABC is telling a Labor government they’re wrong, they must be very, very wrong.

Although they are making up for it bringing in lots of people to bitch about the governments disaster payments not going far enough.

[Tannin]

[Tannin]

Read AZ and Pfizer work pretty much the Same Effectivness

Nope.

• Pfizer: 95% effective.
• Moderna: 94.1% effective.
• Novavax: 85% effective.
• AstraZeneca: 76% effective.

[Tannin]

Governments facing outbreaks often think that it's a new and more dangerous variant at first, and backtrack later. The South Australian Government did exactly the same thing a few months back.

[Dave The Man]

Read AZ and Pfizer work pretty much the Same Effectivness

Nope.

• Pfizer: 95% effective.
• Moderna: 94.1% effective.
• Novavax: 85% effective.
• AstraZeneca: 76% effective.

So thanks to Scommo and Hunt that I got my Vaccine Early as I have Clots before I get the Shit Vaccine then?

BUT going by this Article they are Pretty Much the Same

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinic ... r-covid-va

[eddiesmith]

As entertaining as this is, at least Tannin is behind the Federal Government for a change, there is no hurry and it’s not a race. We do have that luxury in Australia, no matter what Albo and Merlino say.

[Dave The Man]

As entertaining as this is, at least Tannin is behind the Federal Government for a change, there is no hurry and it’s not a race. We do have that luxury in Australia, no matter what Albo and Merlino say.

So you be Fine for More Lockdowns then?

[eddiesmith]

As entertaining as this is, at least Tannin is behind the Federal Government for a change, there is no hurry and it’s not a race. We do have that luxury in Australia, no matter what Albo and Merlino say.

So you be Fine for More Lockdowns then?

No, I’d prefer competent governments like we have to our north, but then again I’ve enjoyed this lockdown better than any of the others, getting paid to stay home isn’t too bad!

If I was stuck in Melbourne it’d obviously be a lot worse. But if the government thinks locking down just to make some pathetic political points is the way to go, well good luck to them. Unfortunately there are enough people who actually believe there is no middle ground between lockdown or uncontrollable third wave.

[What'sinaname]

In other news, 2 of the cases of "fleeting transmission" are false positives.

Two cases of COVID-19 previously linked to Melbourne's growing outbreak have been reclassified as false positives, the Department of Health has said.

A woman previously understood to have acquired the virus at a display home in Mickleham and a man who was thought to have contracted COVID-19 at the Brighton Beach Hotel have been removed from the state's official case count.

The cases had been cited by health officials as two examples of at least half a dozen where the virus was transmitted through "fleeting contact" between strangers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/ ... /100189226

Another lie to justify a lockdown. It is clear the Labor Government has no trust in its own system and so forces a lockdown as it's the best option when you have an incompetent deal with strategy

[Pies4shaw]

Arseholes:

Mr Morrison has sent a Memorandum of Understanding to Victorian Acting Premier James Merlino with federal commitments on the cost of the construction, which could start in September in the hope of finishing in January next year.

Victoria would have to continue using hotel quarantine for the long-term, with the federal government only offering to fund the new Avalon centre if it adds to rather than replaces the hotel system.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 57xrh.html

[stui magpie]

In other news, 2 of the cases of "fleeting transmission" are false positives.

Two cases of COVID-19 previously linked to Melbourne's growing outbreak have been reclassified as false positives, the Department of Health has said.

A woman previously understood to have acquired the virus at a display home in Mickleham and a man who was thought to have contracted COVID-19 at the Brighton Beach Hotel have been removed from the state's official case count.

The cases had been cited by health officials as two examples of at least half a dozen where the virus was transmitted through "fleeting contact" between strangers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/ ... /100189226

Another lie to justify a lockdown. It is clear the Labor Government has no trust in its own system and so forces a lockdown as it's the best option when you have an incompetent deal with strategy

Lie is probably too strong as there was initially a positive test followed by a negative one. Anyway, it's easy to tell when a politician is lying, their lips are moving.

But Sutton and Commander Covid are certainly guilty of excessive hyperbole and using colourful imagery as a defensive mechanism to justify their actions and inactions.

Referring to the virus as a "beast" that has to be "ran down"
Carrying on about the "fleeting transmission" as being something that hadn't happened before. WTF are we wearing masks for then? The whole premise was that breathing in the same air as a stranger in a confined space was a good way to catch it. Overseas health experts piled onto Commander Covid for this on, as they should have.

The things this government are very good at are spending money and casting blame. Spring St needs to be gazetted as an accountability free zone.