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A fantastic win against the Crows on their home deck.
Elliott is all class and has the capability to be an AA.
Many players improved on their last few weeks performances and it was very encouraging to have fought back when we fell behind. This would normally have seen us capitulate and walk away wondering what could’ve been.

Poulter was very good once again but I’m seriously liking the quality of Bianco. His tackling is high quality as his decision making. All of those attributes pail into insignificance compared to his kicking. He was Didak like by foot in only his second game. That kick to JDG was absolutely elite which not many players in our team could have executed particularly on the run.
Someone else has posted that he looks like a future captain and there is plenty of quality in his game to justify that prediction.

Play like that and we might roll the Demons.
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Raw Hammer wrote:With regards to Bianco. Was speaking to his father this evening. He basically said, “you ain’t seen nothing yet.”

Once the mental newbie-shackles are released and he feels more comfortable expressing himself as a footballer, Trent’s flair and kicking skills will really begin to stand out.

Just two games in, hard to argue with his assessment.
He reminds me of Luke Ball!
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I did not see the game but fellow pie mate tells me GW was beside NB in the coaching box all game

And got right into the team song after game
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Victories have been hard to come by for the Magpies this season. On Saturday, Collingwood recorded their third victory in 2021 by vanquishing Adelaide by 5 points, courtesy of an excellent start and very accurate goalkicking for most of the game, while the Crows were rather wasteful with their scoring opportunities. The Woods set up their victory with a barnstorming quarter to start the game with direct ball movement from stoppages or transition allowing Jamie Elliott to get off the chain and cash in with 4 of Collingwood's 5 goals in the opening term. The Magpies absorbed plenty of punishment from the Crows in the following three quarters, and there were fears that Adelaide were going to run away with the win during the third & fourth term, before Collingwood halted their momentum with telling majors against the run of play on both counts, before winning enough aerial contests in the closing stages of the match to ensure that their tour of Adelaide would end successfully for an inexperienced team that did not have quantity of experience available for selection. To conjure a victory without the ilk of Brodie Grundy, Taylor Adams & Jeremy Howe speaks volumes for the club going forward. Max Lynch showed competitiveness as the main ruckman, while the likes of Trent Bianco and Caleb Poulter epitomised class beyond their years, and will form the next wave of talent that is beginning to emerge in more recent times at Collingwood. The next group or wave of players that have started their AFL career will determine how long it takes before the Magpies return to finals as early as possible. The earlier this occurs, the club will then be back in contention for premiership cups in the coming seasons.

Collingwood only won a handful of statistical categories, such as kicks by +23 (225 - 202), uncontested marks had a differential of +39 (99 - 60), with Contested Marks up by +1 (16 - 15), and tackles were won by +24 (76 - 52). Adelaide got their gains from disposals by +23 (357 - 334), handballs were won by +46 (155 - 109), +20 for contested possessions (142 - 122), uncontested possessions had a margin of +5 (211 - 206), and intercept possessions were up by +4 (65 - 61). Hit-outs went Adelaide's way by +8 (37 - 29), clearances were won by +7 (38 - 31), with centre clearances won by +3 (13 - 10), while stoppage clearances had an advantage of +4 (25 - 21). Tackles Inside 50 had a differential of +3 ( 11 - 8 ), and Inside 50s were won by +6 (50 - 44). Marks Inside 50 (15 apiece) were evenly split.

Jack Crisp (31 disposals @ 74%, 412 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 21 kicks, 10 handballs, 9 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 9 Rebound 50s) provided great drive through the midfield and half-back, and worked extremely hard as a marking outlet for his teammates and used the ball effectively when it was required. Crisp remains my outright favourite to win the Copeland Trophy this year.

Steele Sidebottom (22 disposals @ 77%, 234 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 8 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements, 7 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 5 stoppage clearances & 1 goal) provided class through the midfield, where he was gathering the ball cleanly below his knees to win clearances, before getting dangerous on the scoreboard in the second half when he drifted forward to take marks.

Scott Pendlebury (21 disposals @ 81%, 160 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 9 tackles, 6 clearances, 5 stoppage clearances & 4 Rebound 50s) started the game in defence before being moved into the midfield to provide direction and leadership where it counted.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (21 disposals @ 57%, 406 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 5 handballs, 7 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) found some much-needed form with his ability to become a marking option for his teammates a valuable asset. Hoskin-Elliott conjured a goal-saving tackle deep in Collingwood's defence during the second term, which will not go unnoticed in the
team's review of the performance during the week.

Caleb Poulter (20 disposals @ 75%, 482 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 16 kicks, 4 handballs, 10 marks, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) played his best game for the club since his debut a month ago. Poulter is demonstrating his strengths and powers beyond his years, which will serve him and the club extremely well in the immediate future.

Josh Daicos (18 disposals @ 78%, 272 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 13 kicks, 5 handballs, 4 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 5 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) continued to add more strings to his bow with his ability to win clearances from the midfield, which he previously has not shown us until now. Daicos was able to find time and space to kick the ball well after winning those clearances. We are starting to watch Daicos evolve into a more-rounded footballer that has added another weapon to his game.

Brayden Maynard (19 disposals @ 79%, 474 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) was able to find enough time and space in defence to use his booming left foot to the team's advantage.

Darcy Moore (18 disposals @ 72%, 399 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 5 handballs, 7 marks, 4 Contested Marks, 2 score involvements & 7 Rebound 50s) had a sensational aerial game with his well-versed talents to take intercept marks. Some of his field kicking was atrocious, although he was relatively tidy elsewhere and did enough to keep the team ahead of the game.

Isaac Quaynor (17 disposals @ 71%, 283 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 4 handballs, 8 marks, 5 tackles & 4 Rebound 50s) won enough of the ball to do enough damage with it. However, Quaynor had periods where he failed to take uncontested marks in defence, and he was unusually sloppy at ground level where he tended to fumble the ball at the wrong times. Two key areas for Isaac to fix up on Queen's Birthday.

John Noble (15 disposals @ 73%, 249 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 5 tackles, 2 score involvements & 4 Inside 50s) displayed plenty of dash whenever he pushed higher up the ground from defence to break a few lines either with his kicking game or running game to run his opponents ragged. Ball use remained at a good standard which allowed the team to defend for longer periods.

Jordan Roughead (13 disposals @ 92%, 147 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 4 handballs, 9 marks, 3 Contested Marks, 3 tackles & 3 Rebound 50s) complimented Moore nicely with plenty of marks taken to allow the Magpies to regain possession and save goals from being conceded at the right time.

Trent Bianco (16 disposals @ 69%, 302 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 5 handballs, 4 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) showed his ability to create scores from his possessions, and he was able to step up to the plate to convert his first AFL goal when the Magpies were under the pump and up against it.

Jordan De Goey (15 disposals @ 67%, 221 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 12 kicks, 3 handballs, 9 marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) provided an option up forward where he took his marks, before having a cameo in the midfield to give his team an option to use a different mix of midfielders.

Jamie Elliott (14 disposals @ 86%, 382 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 6 goals) had a career-best game where he booted six goals for the first time ever in his career. Elliott set the game up early with 4 goals in the opening term, before he steadied the ship in the second and fourth quarters to ensure Collingwood had a lead at half time and kicked Collingwood's last goal of the game which ultimately proved to be the winning goal at the final siren. We've missed you immensely, Billy! May you provide as much entertainment for the fans and members for the remainder of the seson.

Collingwood's next game will be against Melbourne on June 14 at the SCG. Different experience for both clubs playing each other in Sydney, and it is widely expected that the Demons (premiership favourites) will be too strong for a significantly weakened Collingwood line-up. The plan for the Woods against the Dees will be pure and simple. That is making the most of scoring opportunities on offer to ensure any chance of victory becomes achievable before the bye.
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If GW sat with NB has Graham seen all he needs to see with the nuff nuff twins who supposed support Bucks

He will have no qualms about booting them out
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I watched the game on a mix of TV and radio.

It was great to see the Pies able to wrestle the momentum back at key moments in the game (as opposed to turning off for the final 3 quarters).
- 3rd quarter kicking 4 of the last 5 goals to go in front (Bianco, Poulter, Daicos and Sidebottom) <-- so many of our young players
- Jamie Elliot's last goal

You could see there were moments of still wanting to kick it backwards or sidewards but when we took the game on quickly we looked more dangerous. There was a moment in the game where we had a mark inside the centre square and instead of kicking it forward, kicked it backwards to the wing and then into the back line, which resulted in a turnover and a missed shot by Tex (could have been a goal).

A stat that stood out on the radio was the lowest number of handballs we have made all season:
- vs Crows: 225 kicks vs 105 handballs
- vs Geelong: 226 kicks vs 151 handballs
- vs Port Adelaide: 259 kicks vs 159 handballs
- vs Swans: 189 kicks vs 181 handballs
- vs North: 240 kicks vs 187 handballs
- vs Suns: 263 kicks vs 140 handballs
- vs Dons: 200 kids vs 156 handballs
- vs Eagles: 194 kicks vs 145 handballs
- vs Giants: 212 kicks vs 141 handballs
- vs Lions: 242 kicks vs 156 handballs
- vs Blues: 231 kicks vs 140 handballs
- vs Dogs: 197 kicks vs 118 handballs

Also Question: How many players were inside the winners circle for their first win?
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Raw Hammer wrote:All you Seedsman fanatics are a funny bunch.

No disrespect to the man, he’s done well to finally make something of a career, but goodness gracious me. One of the more lazy, “Is PLAYER-X actually playing today” Magpies I’ve seen play the past 20 years. One of the more lucky ANZAC Day medallist’s. He always had the skill and ability, but pretty much missed just about every goal on the run for us, couldn’t find the pill regularly, and coasted on his ANZAC Day medal plaudits for a while there while living the party life. By his own admission. An outside player who could barely find the ball from half back, and was always going to be either traded or delisted. Good to see him playing some decent footy (decent, not great), but it took 2-3 seasons before he could even be considered a Crows mainstay.

Hindsight is always 20-20, especially 5+ years later.

Yep, Sometimes it’s simply the change of environment that stimulates the improvement.
You won’t have to look far to find a player who improves at his second club but the real question becomes would he have that improvement in him if he stayed. In Seedsmans case, I doubt it.
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Delighted with any win, but this one was particularly sweet

POulter, Rantall, Bianco, Daicos, Quaynor, Noble, all gave glimpses of the future.

Lynch battled manfully in the ruck, but was outclassed- still give him another three games to get a decent sample size on him.

He is on one fifth of the wage of Grundy and probably delivered about one quarter of the output. I will let others do the maths on that.

Was thrilled with Callum Brown's cameo in the middle- 11 possessions and 7 tackles showed what he is capable of- I had pumped him up in the pre-game and was rapt for him that he played such a key role.

Pendles and Sidey showed true leadership in the heat of battle.

Roughead and Hoskin-Elliott continued to return to form.

On SEN yesterday, it was mentioned that Greenwood, Mayne, Cox and Thomas are out-of-contract at season's end. Given that the club would not get much change out of $1.8 million for their contracts, there should be some respite in terms of salary cap (although it would be prudent to re-sign Moore and De Goey one year early).

My understanding is that North are still keen on De Goey- if so, straight swap for number one pick would do the deal- that way we can jag the best available mid and then Nick Daicos in this year's National Draft.

If we were bold in selection this week, we may see

INS_ Cox, Johnson and McReery Callum Brown

OUTS: Sier (injured), Thomas and Madgen and Lynch.

Would like to see McRae as the medical sub- our kids need to play against the best which, sadly, is Melbourne at present...

B: Quaynor. Roughead. Maynard

HB: Noble. Moore. Pendlebury

C: Poulter. Daicos. Hoskin-Elliott

HF. Sidebottom Mihocek. McReery

F: Elliott. Cox. De Goey

Ruck- Cameron. Crisp

Rover: Callum Brown

IC: Bianco, Rantall, Johnson, Murphy. (Medical sub- McRae)

Be brave Pies

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JC Hartley wrote:Victories have been hard to come by for the Magpies this season. On Saturday, Collingwood recorded their third victory in 2021 by vanquishing Adelaide by 5 points, courtesy of an excellent start and very accurate goalkicking for most of the game, while the Crows were rather wasteful with their scoring opportunities. The Woods set up their victory with a barnstorming quarter to start the game with direct ball movement from stoppages or transition allowing Jamie Elliott to get off the chain and cash in with 4 of Collingwood's 5 goals in the opening term. The Magpies absorbed plenty of punishment from the Crows in the following three quarters, and there were fears that Adelaide were going to run away with the win during the third & fourth term, before Collingwood halted their momentum with telling majors against the run of play on both counts, before winning enough aerial contests in the closing stages of the match to ensure that their tour of Adelaide would end successfully for an inexperienced team that did not have quantity of experience available for selection. To conjure a victory without the ilk of Brodie Grundy, Taylor Adams & Jeremy Howe speaks volumes for the club going forward. Max Lynch showed competitiveness as the main ruckman, while the likes of Trent Bianco and Caleb Poulter epitomised class beyond their years, and will form the next wave of talent that is beginning to emerge in more recent times at Collingwood. The next group or wave of players that have started their AFL career will determine how long it takes before the Magpies return to finals as early as possible. The earlier this occurs, the club will then be back in contention for premiership cups in the coming seasons.

Collingwood only won a handful of statistical categories, such as kicks by +23 (225 - 202), uncontested marks had a differential of +39 (99 - 60), with Contested Marks up by +1 (16 - 15), and tackles were won by +24 (76 - 52). Adelaide got their gains from disposals by +23 (357 - 334), handballs were won by +46 (155 - 109), +20 for contested possessions (142 - 122), uncontested possessions had a margin of +5 (211 - 206), and intercept possessions were up by +4 (65 - 61). Hit-outs went Adelaide's way by +8 (37 - 29), clearances were won by +7 (38 - 31), with centre clearances won by +3 (13 - 10), while stoppage clearances had an advantage of +4 (25 - 21). Tackles Inside 50 had a differential of +3 ( 11 - 8 ), and Inside 50s were won by +6 (50 - 44). Marks Inside 50 (15 apiece) were evenly split

great analysis, thankyou always enjoy reading it and seeing the player stats

stoliboy we noticed the less handball more kicks too, id rather see a dodgy 30m kick than 15 shitty 2 handpasses anyday! less risk! i think it was the difference, cheers
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Good to see W H E find a bit of touch up the ground.
He’s off a low base but he remains part of our best 22 while he retains that form.
I just want to get to break without any further injuries and come back with a very different line up for the run home.
Add Grundy Adams McCreery and Johnson with his opportunity and it at least looks like a team with more than 9 goals in it.
And anytime we can afford not to play Pendles on the ball becomes a plus for us also.
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think positive wrote:stoliboy we noticed the less handball more kicks too, id rather see a dodgy 30m kick than 15 shitty 2 handpasses anyday! less risk! i think it was the difference, cheers
Absolutely. That Swans game was abysmal for that type of turnover :evil: :evil:... which makes me nervous for the game against Melbourne next round being played on the SCG.

A turnover from a long kick is at least in a better field position as well, especially on a small ground like the SCG.
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Watched the replay last night and I thought it was an enjoyable win but I thinking we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves. The Crows were ordinary.
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Gerry Cooper wrote:Watched the replay last night and I thought it was an enjoyable win but I thinking we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves. The Crows were ordinary.
i dont think anyone is, look at my first comment, "i know the other team were shit too, but im just enjoying the happy!"
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Gerry Cooper wrote:Watched the replay last night and I thought it was an enjoyable win but I thinking we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves. The Crows were ordinary.
I am not. Crows did not take there Chance in front of Goal as IF they did we would of lost by a Fair Way.

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