Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[watt price tully]

Top NSW & Victorian epidemiologists say what everyone else in Australia (apart from Stui and Eddiesmith) already knew: Berijiklian called the lockdown a week too late:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 584y4.html

She played politics with the spread of the virus aided and abetted by Scotty from Marketing. It was obvious this delta strain had to be locked down hard early on. When they chose to do it the horse had already bolted.

So after over 12 months of calling for lockdowns every time a case popped up they were finally right?

You and your same ‘experts’ predicted doom and gloom over the Northern Beaches as well and were wrong as usual. Seems NSW seems have a far better strike rate than you and your biased ‘experts’.

A week before they called the lockdown they had one new case that day, yeah, no one outside of WA locks down over one case, even your hero isn’t that crazy…

Again you miss the point.

Gladys played politics with this and now the rest of Australia is facing the consequences of Gladys sitting the stable door after the delta strain virus has bolted. Had she locked down early enough this could have contained the spread.

Playing Russian roulette with the lives and livelihoods of the Australian population because you don’t want to spoil your reputation is placing political vanity ahead of the right thing to do.

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-30/ ... /100253966

Indonesia's COVID-19 surge is on the edge of a "catastrophe" as the more infectious Delta variant dominates transmission and chokes hospitals in South-East Asia's worst epidemic, the Red Cross says.

Indonesia has reported record daily COVID-19 infections of more than 20,000 in recent days, in a new wave of infections fuelled by the emergence of highly transmissible virus variants and increased mobility after the Muslim fasting month.

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-30/ ... /100252912

Stephen Duckett's take, for what it may be worth.

[Pies4shaw]

In Victoria, 1 new local case and 1 new case acquired overseas (currently in HQ).
- 20,067 vaccine doses were administered
- 29,949 test results were received .

The Government says that "The one locally-acquired case is a primary close contact in isolation throughout their infectious period."

There are 34 active cases.

[stui magpie]

Gladys played politics with this

That's your opinion. The fact is she treated the outbreak as she had all others and trusted her systems until it was evident that the Delta strain couldn't be contained that way.

and now the rest of Australia is facing the consequences of Gladys sitting the stable door after the delta strain virus has bolted. Had she locked down early enough this could have contained the spread.

Can we stop with the obsessive delusions? The reason the NT is in lockdown is because Qld locked up a Victorian in transit to the mines with over seas travellers where he caught the virus (through no fault of his own) and then infected others who spread all over the country. Qld has a whole bunch of problems of it's own, some may have come from NSW, others not.

Playing Russian roulette with the lives and livelihoods of the Australian population because you don’t want to spoil your reputation is placing political vanity ahead of the right thing to do.

If that's what she did, it would be but that's just your hyper biased opinion. What she did was demonstrate to the rest of Australia how hard it is to contain the Delta strain. She did everyone a favour. I didn't hear you calling for a lockdown when the Victorian government tried and failed, again, to contain the spread of the far milder variant.

[Pies4shaw]

22 local transmissions in NSW. The Government says that "Of today’s 22 new locally acquired cases, eleven were in isolation throughout their infectious period and a further five cases were in isolation for part of their infectious periods. Six cases were infectious in the community."

[stui magpie]

So, for the record, it seems the origins of each recent state "outbreak" are as follows:

Victoria - Man caught Covid in SA HQ bought it back to Vic.
NSW - Unvaccinated hotel limo driver caught Covid from flight crew
Qld - returned traveller, leaked it from HQ
NT and SA - Victorian FIFO mine worker made to spend time between connecting flights in QLD HQ, caught covid, infected other mine workers who carried it home.
WA - A WA woman who spent a weekend in Sydney, caught covid on June 19 (day 3 of the community outbreak), was tested upon return home, tested negative and was released from home isolation only to get crook a few days later, got tested again and was positive.
Tas - none yet, just a matter of time.

Also, apparently and anecdotally millenials are leaping at the chance to get the AZ Clot Shot

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... f1a69aa34a

Personally I think the States sudden objections have far more to do with the Indemnity for GP's not applying to state governments than any sudden concerns.

[eddiesmith]

I assumed the states are objecting because they're happier complaining and being able to lockdown.

Vic and QLD want 70-80% vaccination rates, WA over 80% vaccination to open up yet none of them want people to get vaccinated...None of those targets seem very realistic and that's not because of supply.

McGowan today was even telling people over 60 not to get the AZ vaccine and they should be getting Pfizer instead.

Yet the advice is not that people can't get it, it's they should calculate the risks.

For all the talk of less chance of dying of Covid, we did have a few under 40 die of Covid last year and that was from only 30,000 cases across all age groups.

Yet the vaccine we've had 3 deaths from 6-7 million doses?

Not sure where the QLD cho got her maths lessons from.

[stui magpie]

To be fair to the Qld CHO, there is an inverse relationship happening.

The younger you are, the more likely (still infinitesimal chance) you are to get clots from the AZ, and the younger you are the less likely you are to die of Covid if you catch it. So the risk/reward equation changes the younger you are.

Still, her stance is bullshit. They don't want to include AZ in their mass vaccination hubs as it's easier and safer for them to push it to GP's.

When State Premiers use the media to criticise the PM, you can be sure they're playing politics. In this case, I guess wanting the indemnity widened to cover them too.

[eddiesmith]

Although for a fit and healthy person there is zero chance of dying of either, but the chances of long lasting side effects more with Covid than the vaccine. Plus you can't pass on your side effects to elderly and at risk people, unlike Covid.

It's why the advice to let people make their own decisions is a sound one rather than saying people under 60 can only have one option.

But you could be right in the indemnity issue. I think Gladys was saying today pretty much go talk to your GP as it's not a discussion you can have at the state hubs.

Did laugh that after Annastacia tried to pass the buck for her multiple HQ breaches which has brought in restrictions in 3 states and the NT now by demanding a cut to returned travelers, Karen Andrews asked a very important question. Is a trip to the Tokyo Olympics worth it? Should the Premier be allowed back in the country under her own proposed rules?

[Pies4shaw]

for a fit and healthy person there is zero chance of dying of either...

That's not true, either of the disease or of any of the vaccines.

[watt price tully]

So Scotty from Marketing forgot to consult GP’s and the States before making his announcement re the Astra Zeneca when GP’s and the States are the major stakeholders.

Scotty is increasingly the new definition of incompetence.

When the heat is on he goes missing.

[watt price tully]

Gladys played politics with this

That's your opinion. The fact is she treated the outbreak as she had all others and trusted her systems until it was evident that the Delta strain couldn't be contained that way.

and now the rest of Australia is facing the consequences of Gladys sitting the stable door after the delta strain virus has bolted. Had she locked down early enough this could have contained the spread.....

Denial of the obvious is not an argument. It is as obvious as the incompetent way the vaccines have been rolled out that Gladys stuffed up. Closing the door when the delta virus had spread was protecting her reputation only prised by Scotty a day ir two earlier. She played Russian roulette and now 15 million are in lockdown because of her tardiness and putting politics first.

You’re right though; it is what she has done before but that was good luck rather than good management. She played Russian roulette earlier and won. Now the gun was more loaded than before and she gambled and lost (big time).

Interesting, the head of ED at the RNH expressed his concerns about what NSW were doing (or not doing) as part of an email to staff last week. He thought NSW were incredibly slow to react. He like many medical and other experts knew this.

[watt price tully]

WPT noted:

Gladys played politics with this

Stui replied:


That's your opinion. The fact is she treated the outbreak as she had all others and trusted her systems until it was evident that the Delta strain couldn't be contained that way.


WPT further noted

"...and now the rest of Australia is facing the consequences of Gladys sitting the stable door after the delta strain virus has bolted. Had she locked down early enough this could have contained the spread.....[/quote]

WPT commented:


Denial of the obvious is not an argument. It is as obvious as the incompetent way the vaccines have been rolled out that Gladys stuffed up. Closing the door when the delta virus had spread was protecting her reputation only praised by Scotty a day or two earlier. She played Russian roulette and now 15 million are in lock down because of her tardiness and putting politics first.

You’re right though; it is what she has done before but that was good luck rather than good management. She played Russian roulette earlier and won. Now the gun was more loaded than before and she gambled and lost (big time).

Interesting, the head of ED expressed his concerns about what NSW were doing (or not doing) as part of an email to staff last week. He thought NSW were incredibly slow to react. He like many medical and other experts knew this.

You know she was far too late too: the evidence is staring you in the face

[stui magpie]

If you actually looked at the facts, you'd see you are wrong. As usual.