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Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote:Brown was pick 10, Riewoldt was 13. Ten other teams thought there was someone better than Jack as well as Collingwood
In the same draft, Josh Kennedy went at 40 and Hawkins at 41, Robbie Gray at 55
You can play we should have picked X instead of Y all day in hindsight. Just be glad we didn’t do what Hawks did and pick Mitch Thorp at 6, ahead of Joel Selwood. Played 2 games, delisted in 2009
The biggest clanger of ALL time was the Tigers, when they were utter shit, passing over Buddy, for Tambling, who played only bout 40 games and was a dud. thank heavens we never passed up Buddy for some hack.
Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote:Brown was pick 10, Riewoldt was 13. Ten other teams thought there was someone better than Jack as well as Collingwood
In the same draft, Josh Kennedy went at 40 and Hawkins at 41, Robbie Gray at 55
You can play we should have picked X instead of Y all day in hindsight. Just be glad we didn’t do what Hawks did and pick Mitch Thorp at 6, ahead of Joel Selwood. Played 2 games, delisted in 2009
The biggest clanger of ALL time was the Tigers, when they were utter shit, passing over Buddy, for Tambling, who played only bout 40 games and was a dud. thank heavens we never passed up Buddy for some hack.
Bigger than the Dees taking Scully AND Trengove with #1 and #2 and leaving Dusty on the table at pick 3 ? The Dees were given two chances to get it right and still blew it.
“ Everyone “ talks about drafting like we are the only ones who get it wrong.
But the question I would ask is when was the last time pick number one went on to be proven as the best player in that draft ??
And even when you still pick the “ best “ player at the time, things change, circumstances change and players priorities change. Not even the best recruiter on the planet can anticipate where a players life lessons will lead him five years down the track.
Got to love hindsight.
Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote:I couldn't care less about Tambling. Richmond have won 8 flags to our 2 in the last 6 decades
True, but at least in over the years we did make the Finals many more times than they did gave our fans some joy, they had a lot of yrs in the wilderness with fans burning memberships in ovens, and finishing always 9th., What i actually meant was, at least we did not make that mistake, imagine if we had, wed never live it down.
Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb.
In spite of the 2021 season having spasmodic periods of success, Collingwood's season of failure continued against Hawthorn by 19 points, courtesy of an indifferent first half from the Magpies where they were not able to play their brand of footy over four quarters, especially early when the game was there to be won. Constant pressure and high accountability from the Hawks meant there was no proper time and space for Collingwood to hit targets by foot, let alone by hand where every avenue all over the ground was closed off, which subsequently resulted on any clanger or turnover from the Woods resulting in goals to Hawthorn, while the Pies had a disjointed structure forward of the play and conjured goals with a higher degree of difficulty compared to their opponents who converted their majors much more easily and effectively.
The statistical categories Collingwood won on the day were contested possessions by +2 (116 - 114), with intercept possessions won by +2 (64 - 62), while hit-outs had a differential of +6 (41 - 35), centre clearances were up by +3 (15 - 12), and +14 for tackles ( 52 - 38 ). Hawthorn won the major statistical categories by monopolising disposals by +58 (433 - 375), +18 for kicks (238 - 220), handballs were up by +40 (195 - 155), while uncontested possessions had a margin of +64 (319 - 253). Clearances were won by +6 (39 - 33), with stoppage clearances won by +9 ( 27 - 18 ), while uncontested marks had a differential of +24 (125 - 101), and Marks Inside 50 were up by +3 ( 11 - 8 ). Tackles Inside 50 had a narrow gain of +2 (6 - 4), while there was a margin of +3 for Inside 50s (48 - 45). Contested Marks (12 apiece) was the only category in dispute from the match.
Taylor Adams (30 disposals @ 80%, 438 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 12 handballs, 6 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements, 6 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) was one of the few players to lead by his actions with a prominent presence under the packs, cleared the ball forward when he could, while presenting as a marking outlet when none of his teammates wanted to lead out into open space.
Jordan De Goey (28 disposals @ 82%, 277 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 14 handballs, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 8 clearances, 6 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) enjoyed a prolific clearance-based game where he did most of the damage in the midfield. Annoyingly though, his teammates could not capitalise on his dominance in the middle by converting goals from centre clearances. De Goey was the only midfielder that gave Adams any meaningful assistance in a team that had very few contributors across the field.
Chris Mayne (26 disposals @ 85%, 190 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 23 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 17 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements) had stints in defence and on the wing where he accumulated possessions with high efficiency. Mayne spent most of his time racking up marks before looking for a short kicking option to keep possession or handpass to teammate who had more time to dispose of the ball, which rarely occurred.
Steele Sidebottom (22 disposals @ 73%, 9 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 12 handballs, 2 marks, 6 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) did not impact the play meaningfully at all, with most of his disposals missing targets or that had become stagnant passes that did not gain very much territory.
Finlay Macrae (20 disposals @ 80%, 164 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 12 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) showed promising signs with his ability to win the ball cleanly and hit targets when they were on offer. Macrae was able to drift forward to convert his first AFL goal where he took advantage of the advantage call and was able to kick the goal in the opening term before the game got away from the Magpies. That moment was the biggest highlight on an afternoon of many lowlights against the brown and gold.
Brodie Grundy (16 disposals @ 62%, 209 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 31 hit-outs, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 6 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) dominated ruck contests all day for no reward, while marking has become a feature of Grundy's game recently. Brodie gave De Goey and Adams every opportunity to cash in on the scoreboard from centre clearances and were not able to deliver quality up forward.
Will Hoskin-Elliott (16 disposals @ 81%, 203 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 5 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 2 goal assists, 4 score involvements & 4 Inside 50s) made the most of his limited forays forward by creating goals from the wing where he took the bulk of his marks.
Jack Crisp (28 disposals @ 86%, 280 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 15 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 7 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 centre clearances & 2 Rebound 50s) enjoyed another fine game with excellent ball use from defence, and he was prepared to work higher up the ground to take marks which generally resulted in a shot at goal each time. Crisp moved into the midfield late in the piece to give his team a midfield option to create scores from clearances.
Brayden Maynard (21 disposals @ 81%, 372 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 5 handballs, 9 marks, 5 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) endured a tough day, but managed to contribute to his team's ball movement alongside Crisp with a number of accurate kicks that maintained possession or were kicked to a contest so his team had a chance of competing aerially for them to be effective.
Isaac Quaynor (18 disposals @ 78%, 272 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 9 handballs, 4 marks, 4 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) played one of his worst games of the season with a number of inexplicable clangers by foot making it impossible for his team to defend ball movement and turnovers. Despite making those errors, Quaynor provided dash and continued to win the ball in dangerous positions defensively. His kicking game will need improvement in the final fortnight of the regular season.
Jeremy Howe (16 disposals @ 88%, 309 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements & 7 Rebound 50s) looked to retain possession by foot as often as possible, and looked to kick longer to a contest when all of the exits became unavailable. Howe was able to take a nice hanger in the last term to demonstrate that he has not lost aerial ability and strength to fly for his marks.
John Noble (18 disposals @ 78%, 390 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 6 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) started the game up forward before pushing extremely high up the ground where he spent time on the wing and half-back to win possession as supply up forward was not exactly fruitful. Looked to create scoring opportunities when he could, which did not occur frequently.
Josh Thomas (18 disposals @ 78%, 178 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements & 3 Inside 50s) had no influence on the game, despite working high and hard up the ground to take his marks and win possession. Thomas is not an effective forward when he is leading beyond the forward arc to have an impact. No pressure or tackling up forward from Thomas made life very simple for Hawthorn's rebounding defenders.
Jamie Elliott (14 disposals @ 79%, 201 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) made the most of his limited opportunities up forward, and Elliott made sure he stayed relatively close to home so his team had an option across half-forward or closer to goal when the opportunities presented themselves.
Darcy Cameron (11 disposals @ 82%, 114 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 2 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 10 hit-outs, 8 kicks, 3 handballs, 5 marks, 4 Contested Marks, 7 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 1 goal) competed well in aerial contests to take a number of excellent pack marks up forward, while giving Grundy a spell in the ruck when it was required and did not look out of place when he went into the ruck, while winning his fair share of hit-outs and a couple of clearances.
Oliver Henry (11 disposals @ 73%, 181 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 5 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) worked hard for his marks and possessions up forward which did not come easily, and Henry contributed to the team's scoring chains while conjuring a neat snap on his non-preferred foot (left boot) in the second term.
Beau McCreery (10 disposals @ 70%, 137 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 goal assists, 4 score involvements & 4 Inside 50s) stayed active and busy up forward without kicking any goals. Regular marks and creating goals ended up being the order of the day for McCreery.
Brody Mihocek (8 disposals @ 75%, 108 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 4 score involvements & 2 goals) was unsighted in the first half, before a slight lift in the second half saw him impact the scoreboard on an otherwise filthy and quiet day for Collingwood's most prominent key target.
Jack Ginnivan (7 disposals @ 86%, 131 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 5 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 3 marks, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 3 goals) may not have had many disposals, but he most certainly cashed in with the amount of goals he was able to convert when supply and scoring were at a premium.
Collingwood's next game will be against the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on August 14. Two games left to be played in this ravaged season, so making them count with victories against the grain will be a godsend to those wearing black and white stripes.
RudeBoy wrote:The difference is also that Josh Fraser was played out of position. He should have been a CHF, but instead was thrown into the ruck, despite not having a strong frame necessary for that role.
That's Josh's fault. He always saw himself as a ruckman, not forward.
RudeBoy wrote:The difference is also that Josh Fraser was played out of position. He should have been a CHF, but instead was thrown into the ruck, despite not having a strong frame necessary for that role.
That's Josh's fault. He always saw himself as a ruckman, not forward.
Exactly. He didn’t want Jolly coming to the club because he saw him overtaking his spot. If you go back to the 2002 GF Josh was great around the ground but was being killed at the ruck contests. Malthouse had a thing about mobile ruckmen which Buckley inherited from him and that led to poor choice in selection of ruckmen as in reliance of guys like McKee, Cameron Wood, Quentin Lynch instead of genuine ruckmen and it’s cost us premierships.
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