The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[Pies4shaw]

The Weid would be an absolute steal as a delisted free agent.
Here’s hoping.

We could certainly press to be the first team not to get a kick in the forward half in an entire game, if we add him.

[5:11pm]

We have serious holes in our list, and our senior players clearly need support.

Are you suggesting we just play Begg, McMahon, Ginny, Beau and Henry up forward..
Reef, Daicos, Macrae, Poulter and Bianco through the guts…
Along with Rusco, Murphy, Kelly, and Keane down back…
And pray that Checkers, Pendles, Adam’s, Sidey, Howe and the Rough pick up the slack without further derailing their careers?

Here’s hoping they won’t be demoralised, traumatised and snapped in half by hard bodied, professionals with proven track records and years of gruelling pre-seasons under their belts.

Good question. I think we need to bite the bullet and settle on a key forward replacement for Cameron, who is essentially a ruckman who can play forward. And a key tall defender who can cover for either Roughead or Moore. Madgen, Howe, Maynard and Murphy don't cut it as key defenders to me. Whoever we choose should be based on preseason performance and then they need to be given a block of games to settle into the position. The worse thing I reckon you can do to somebody is destroy their confidence by playing them in their debut and dropping them, then bring them back for one game and then drop them again. This in my opinion was a terrible habit Nathan Buckley got into with players. Malthouse used to always play new players in blocks of games. Also Malthouse never had a pecking order like Buckley based on age and experience. You were either good enough to play or not good enough to play. Hope this all changes with McRae.

A forward replacement for Cameron in my mind should be someone like McMahon. He has all the credentials to play CHF. They should play him there from the first game next year.

An ideal key defender we should be playing from next year is Keane. They should be playing him as a third tall defender behind Moore and Roughead. Stick to using Howe, Madgen, Maynard and Murphy as medium defenders.

Totally agree.

Other than McMahon.
He showed glimpses in the VFL but after sustaining a serious concussion needs time, confidence and another 10kgs before shouldering the expectations of performing as a KPF at the elite level.

As you suggested, Keane and/or Kelly should play under Moore and the Rough as 3rds to gain experience and match fitness.

It’s our midfield and forward line that are in dire need of a mature aged body to split contests and take the heat off the up and comers. Lipinski would be a great get, but he appears to be more of a goal kicking wingman than a contested clearance beast?

A mature age banger to give Tae a chop out in the centre would be a perfect fit.

[5:11pm]

The Weid would be an absolute steal as a delisted free agent.
Here’s hoping.

We could certainly press to be the first team not to get a kick in the forward half in an entire game, if we add him.

‘Don’t bring me problems, show me a solution’’.

-Tahari

[Pies4shaw]

If Weideman is the solution, we are solving the wrong equation.

[5:11pm]

If Weideman is the solution, we are solving the wrong equation.

Solution being…?

[Pies2016]

Given that we aren’t going to solve all our problems in one year, the aim is prioritise where you can reap the biggest reward as quickly as possible.
You can guarantee McRae will concern himself with improving the midfield before he would put the same amount of time into the forward line.
There’s no point filling a forward line with unfilled players from other clubs ( whoever that is ) if we can’t at least give them some hope with quicker, more precise ball movement from our mids. Alternatively, there’s no point in bringing in a proven forward target if the mids ( including Grundy ) can’t get it down to them with any precision or regularity.
You start your improvement with the midfield because an improved TWO WAY midfield will automatically benefit your existing forward line. There’s not much point beefing up our forward line if we firstly don’t improve what’s happening further up the ground.

[BazBoy]

[Piesnchess]

If Weideman is the solution, we are solving the wrong equation.

Id lpve another WEED at the club, i was too young to see the other one, his Grand dad, but even the name has an aura about it. Look, get him reasonably cheaply, why not give it a shot ?

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

Given that we aren’t going to solve all our problems in one year, the aim is prioritise where you can reap the biggest reward as quickly as possible.
You can guarantee McRae will concern himself with improving the midfield before he would put the same amount of time into the forward line.
There’s no point filling a forward line with unfilled players from other clubs ( whoever that is ) if we can’t at least give them some hope with quicker, more precise ball movement from our mids. Alternatively, there’s no point in bringing in a proven forward target if the mids ( including Grundy ) can’t get it down to them with any precision or regularity.
You start your improvement with the midfield because an improved TWO WAY midfield will automatically benefit your existing forward line. There’s not much point beefing up our forward line if we firstly don’t improve what’s happening further up the ground.

There’s only one problem with what you say. New coaches aren’t afforded the luxury of the media and the fans to slowly fix the problems at a club. Saying it’s about the process isn’t enough. McRae will be expected to fix all our issues at once from the first match next season. That is he’ll need to have a functioning forward line in place as well as fixing the midfield, which I totally agree with you, from which all things stem.

[Charlie Oneeye]

Average players to inject into the 22 to fill our holes is a waste of time.

On the other side of the coin, it would be ideal to recruit match winners to fill the holes.... I wish !

So what is realistic ?


1. I don't see Keane as a capable back KP yet… And we do need a capable backup for Moore and Roughy. But I'm talking capable backup… maybe a 29/30 yr old is handy right now.

2. I'd love a KP 198cm forward who kicks ass, 'A CLUNKER', but if he was available, he would be in our side right now. If he was anywhere in Australia, we would have him. Plenty who can play, but zero who kick butt. The answer here my friends, is cross our fingers and Hope that Begg, and McCCC can play some games next year and progressively be THAT player.
We can argue we dont pick them.. and Hine failed.. but we tried. Yes, we should have got Naughton but we didn't.
Darcy Fogarty or Brander? But we need a crystal ball... Noah Balta went at 26.
These last few names are never mentioned in context of how hard to find THAT pin in the haystack.
Maybe in 2022 draft we can select or swap.

I definitely don't see Roughy forward… Maybe that backup KP back, can be a swing man. ?
I guess we need to resign ourselves in the short term that there is no fairy Godmother.

3. Charlie Cameron, come on down, lol

4. And as mooted, some players don't go down to the death… we need to weed them out.

[Pies2016]

Given that we aren’t going to solve all our problems in one year, the aim is prioritise where you can reap the biggest reward as quickly as possible.
You can guarantee McRae will concern himself with improving the midfield before he would put the same amount of time into the forward line.
There’s no point filling a forward line with unfilled players from other clubs ( whoever that is ) if we can’t at least give them some hope with quicker, more precise ball movement from our mids. Alternatively, there’s no point in bringing in a proven forward target if the mids ( including Grundy ) can’t get it down to them with any precision or regularity.
You start your improvement with the midfield because an improved TWO WAY midfield will automatically benefit your existing forward line. There’s not much point beefing up our forward line if we firstly don’t improve what’s happening further up the ground.

There’s only one problem with what you say. New coaches aren’t afforded the luxury of the media and the fans to slowly fix the problems at a club. Saying it’s about the process isn’t enough. McRae will be expected to fix all our issues at once from the first match next season. That is he’ll need to have a functioning forward line in place as well as fixing the midfield, which I totally agree with you, from which all things stem.

We arent in position to solve all our problems in one preseason, not many bottom sides are. That’s the reality, whether people buy it or not.
We have no draft picks and supposedly not much wiggle room in the cap, so you address what makes the biggest difference the quickest.
Even Thomas output improved the moment Harvey took over and seemingly transitioned the ball quicker. Kids like Henry and Ginnivan were good enough to contribute often enough from quicker ball movement.
The point being, you will get organic improvement in your existing forward line from an improved midfield.
Let’s get the midfield right in 2022 with some creative trading and then I’m sure there would be more forwards from other clubs who would see us as a viable option in 2023.
I also accept you don’t knock back a DECENT forward if one drops in your lap during this off season but given our immediate restraints as per the above, I don’t see that happening.

[piedys]

If we could walk away from the Trade Period/Pre Season Draft with:

* Dylan Stephens
* Patrick Lipinski
* Tyson Stengle
* Nathan Krueger
* maybe a Patrick Naish

In reality, we would be lucky to get one of those players at trade time, without bleeding from the arse again.

And the AwFuL website lists Tyson Stengle as retired?

Try this for size:

* Dylan Stephens: future second rounder (pick 20-25 in 2022 likely)
* Patrick Lipinski: swap for Max Lynch or push through to Pre-season pick 2
* Stengle: can get for free
* Naish: can get for free
* Nathan Krueger: 4th round pick at worst for us

Not exactly bleeding currency here. Also the above players fall into two categories:

High Talent and Upside:

Stephens and Lipinski could be All-Australian calibre players purely based on their pedigree and in Lipinski's case, visible form.

Last chance saloon:

Stengle and Naish could be simply offered 1 year deals to prove themselves and Kruger 2 years to prize him out of the Cats. Not exactly going to curtail the 975 youngsters on our list.

Well, none of those trades could be dismissed out of hand, but... our perception of the worth of Stephens and Lipinski could be polar opposite to what their clubs insist they want for them; see what happens...

[5:11pm]

Given that we aren’t going to solve all our problems in one year, the aim is prioritise where you can reap the biggest reward as quickly as possible.
You can guarantee McRae will concern himself with improving the midfield before he would put the same amount of time into the forward line.
There’s no point filling a forward line with unfilled players from other clubs ( whoever that is ) if we can’t at least give them some hope with quicker, more precise ball movement from our mids. Alternatively, there’s no point in bringing in a proven forward target if the mids ( including Grundy ) can’t get it down to them with any precision or regularity.
You start your improvement with the midfield because an improved TWO WAY midfield will automatically benefit your existing forward line. There’s not much point beefing up our forward line if we firstly don’t improve what’s happening further up the ground.

There’s only one problem with what you say. New coaches aren’t afforded the luxury of the media and the fans to slowly fix the problems at a club. Saying it’s about the process isn’t enough. McRae will be expected to fix all our issues at once from the first match next season. That is he’ll need to have a functioning forward line in place as well as fixing the midfield, which I totally agree with you, from which all things stem.

We arent in position to solve all our problems in one preseason, not many bottom sides are. That’s the reality, whether people buy it or not.
We have no draft picks and supposedly not much wiggle room in the cap, so you address what makes the biggest difference the quickest.
Even Thomas output improved the moment Harvey took over and seemingly transitioned the ball quicker. Kids like Henry and Ginnivan were good enough to contribute often enough from quicker ball movement.
The point being, you will get organic improvement in your existing forward line from an improved midfield.
Let’s get the midfield right in 2022 with some creative trading and then I’m sure there would be more forwards from other clubs who would see us as a viable option in 2023.
I also accept you don’t knock back a DECENT forward if one drops in your lap during this off season but given our immediate restraints as per the above, I don’t see that happening.

It’s a team game.
Witnessing Olie Henry getting listed at CHF in our final game was unsettling. Watching him get injured, and then being expected to play through it was diabolical.

Wright and Macrae are Pros and will do their best to address the gaping holes on our list, such as being able to put a KPF on the park who has gone through puberty.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

Harvey is a good and decent fellow but that was one of the worst feats of coaching I’ve ever witnessed.

[5:11pm]

Harvey is a good and decent fellow but that was one of the worst feats of coaching I’ve ever witnessed.

I agree.
Something MUST be done.