The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[MJ23]

We have serious holes in our list, and our senior players clearly need support.

Are you suggesting we just play Begg, McMahon, Ginny, Beau and Henry up forward..
Reef, Daicos, Macrae, Poulter and Bianco through the guts…
Along with Rusco, Murphy, Kelly, and Keane down back…
And pray that Checkers, Pendles, Adam’s, Sidey, Howe and the Rough pick up the slack without further derailing their careers?

Here’s hoping they won’t be demoralised, traumatised and snapped in half by hard bodied, professionals with proven track records and years of gruelling pre-seasons under their belts.

Dont know what your point is - you listed 20 players without Elliot, Degoey, Maynard, IQ, Thomas, both Browns, Cameron, Nobel, Ash Johnson whose 25 next year, Crisp, Josh Daicos, WHE, Lynch, Wilson and an AA CHB in Moore.

And you think we should top it up with 5 players who cant break into their own sides best 22 with kids younger than them going past them.......Ok then.

No doubt some players are moving out and others in but we hardly need to play half our team of kids. Yet we need the kids to get games and bring in speculative unproven players is what Carlton has done the last few years.

[MJ23]

Whatever you think of Treloar his absence this year has created a giant hole in our midfield which they tried to fill with Sier, who for whatever reason didn't work out. MaCrae is the obvious replacement for Treloar and may in fact go past him in the next few years. However MaCrae will need help in the middle until he fills out. You can't just play guys like MaCrae, McInnes, Nick Daicos and Rantall out of the middle all at once next year. They need help from Pendlebury, Sidebottom, De Goey and Adams and at least one other established mid. Harvey brought Crisp into the middle to help out, but that was robbing Peter to play Paul. So in a nutshell we need to find a mature age mid outside our list to fill the hole. We don't want fringe players from other clubs who are about to be delisted. The middle of the ground is the most critical position to play and fringe players don't cut it. Lipinski comes up as an ideal candidate who fits our needs. He can play from day one. He's the right size and age and impresses as someone who has a lot upside to his game. I think we should do our best to get him.

Lipinski is the only one mentioned Id bring in. Would seriously have a crack at Wallis also - cant be feeling good about his future right now. They should just release him

[5:11pm]

We have serious holes in our list, and our senior players clearly need support.

Are you suggesting we just play Begg, McMahon, Ginny, Beau and Henry up forward..
Reef, Daicos, Macrae, Poulter and Bianco through the guts…
Along with Rusco, Murphy, Kelly, and Keane down back…
And pray that Checkers, Pendles, Adam’s, Sidey, Howe and the Rough pick up the slack without further derailing their careers?

Here’s hoping they won’t be demoralised, traumatised and snapped in half by hard bodied, professionals with proven track records and years of gruelling pre-seasons under their belts.

Dont know what your point is - you listed 20 players without Elliot, Degoey, Maynard, IQ, Thomas, both Browns, Cameron, Nobel, Ash Johnson whose 25 next year, Crisp, Josh Daicos, WHE, Lynch, Wilson and an AA CHB in Moore.

And you think we should top it up with 5 players who cant break into their own sides best 22 with kids younger than them going past them.......Ok then.

No doubt some players are moving out and others in but we hardly need to play half our team of kids. Yet we need the kids to get games and bring in speculative unproven players is what Carlton has done the last few years.

Mayne, Greenwood and Tohil are gone.

There’s 3 spots that need filling prior to trades, further delistings and unforeseen <snip> - Let's just not. What about, say, "happenings." Thanks, BBMods. .

A mature body in the midfield and KPF posts won’t prevent the development of our kids, it will simply give them some breathing space to develop their skills, and prevent them from unnecessary injuries.

That’s my point.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

What we need MJ23 is a spine. Combine that with a functioning midfield unit where the rucks work with the mids like clockwork. Forget the ages and the games of experience of the players because all that will do is scramble your brain. At the moment we’re so far gone in 17th place on the ladder. All that matters is working out who can play and who can’t and then putting together a game plan based on the 22 who can play.

[MJ23]

Given that we aren’t going to solve all our problems in one year, the aim is prioritise where you can reap the biggest reward as quickly as possible.
You can guarantee McRae will concern himself with improving the midfield before he would put the same amount of time into the forward line.
There’s no point filling a forward line with unfilled players from other clubs ( whoever that is ) if we can’t at least give them some hope with quicker, more precise ball movement from our mids. Alternatively, there’s no point in bringing in a proven forward target if the mids ( including Grundy ) can’t get it down to them with any precision or regularity.
You start your improvement with the midfield because an improved TWO WAY midfield will automatically benefit your existing forward line. There’s not much point beefing up our forward line if we firstly don’t improve what’s happening further up the ground.

There’s only one problem with what you say. New coaches aren’t afforded the luxury of the media and the fans to slowly fix the problems at a club. Saying it’s about the process isn’t enough. McRae will be expected to fix all our issues at once from the first match next season. That is he’ll need to have a functioning forward line in place as well as fixing the midfield, which I totally agree with you, from which all things stem.

We arent in position to solve all our problems in one preseason, not many bottom sides are. That’s the reality, whether people buy it or not.
We have no draft picks and supposedly not much wiggle room in the cap, so you address what makes the biggest difference the quickest.
Even Thomas output improved the moment Harvey took over and seemingly transitioned the ball quicker. Kids like Henry and Ginnivan were good enough to contribute often enough from quicker ball movement.
The point being, you will get organic improvement in your existing forward line from an improved midfield.
Let’s get the midfield right in 2022 with some creative trading and then I’m sure there would be more forwards from other clubs who would see us as a viable option in 2023.
I also accept you don’t knock back a DECENT forward if one drops in your lap during this off season but given our immediate restraints as per the above, I don’t see that happening.

You are spot on - Our NEW midfield should start with Macrae, N.Daicos, J. Daicos, Degoey and Adams. I still think Pendles, sidey and Crisp can support. IF Moore can come back we could actually release either Mayard (who wants to) or IQ into the middle. This might be a stop gap but its gotta be better than 3-4 players not making their own teams starting 22.
I know Macrae and N Daicos are young but just have the class.

Poulter, Reef, Bianco, Brows x 2, Rantell and even Chugg are a mix of developing and experienced. Time will tell if good enough.

I think we still need 1 or two more 30 possession players. They coulkd be listed already and develop however I think we need to bring them in and it wont be this year.

[MJ23]

What we need MJ23 is a spine. Combine that with a functioning midfield unit where the rucks work with the mids like clockwork. Forget the ages and the games of experience of the players because all that will do is scramble your brain. At the moment we’re so far gone in 17th place on the ladder. All that matters is working out who can play and who can’t and then putting together a game plan based on the 22 who can play.

100% agree - as a few have said there are a few holes. Some will be filled by players we currently have - hopefully. Some of our best most consistent may be too old when we are ready to challenge.

Reality is we will get the best mid and player in the draft this year. We brought in two talls last year and Kelly needs a good run at it. I know King is very gettable but again would be hard to het this year if he leave now. Means we stop gap as best as we can this year and try for an established one next year - hopefully.

fact is, we need to be a settled, organised well coached club by then to attract any talent.

[5:11pm]

- Checkers is a half back admirably attempting to hold down a KPF role.

- Cameron is a ruckman resting forward

- Elliot stands at 178cm, is injury prone and holds down our goal square

- Henry is a first year forward flanker shouldering the expectations of a 7 pre-season 25 year old

- Magic Johnson is a lightly framed wildcard with a couple of seasons of senior footy under his belt

- Begg is a kid who has played the majority of his junior footy as a Ruckman

- McMahon is a teenager who weighs 85kgs dripping wet

Anyone see a hole in our list that needs to be filled?

[Pies2016]

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Our 2021 game trends proved time and time again, we started ok but we were run over on the back of either a ) not enough midfield depth or b ) a forced reliance on a young midfield to run the game out.
We need midfield depth and we need to preserve Pendlebury for two more seasons. As McRae also identified, we have a leadership void in the very short term.
Just to clarify, I’m not against taking a quality forward if he falls in our lap but when you have so little trading currency during this off season, the chances are slim. What is available, is a glut of plug n play mids, some of who don’t even require a trade. You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
Improve our midfield and not only do we make the job easier for our ( existing ) forwards but we instantly improve our ability to run out four quarters.
Whatever people may or may not think of Weed, Krueger, Brander or whoever, one thing you can guarantee is that they won’t improve without a decent mid field in front of them.

[5:11pm]

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Our 2021 game trends proved time and time again, we started ok but we were run over on the back of either a ) not enough midfield depth or b ) a forced reliance on a young midfield to run the game out.
We need midfield depth and we need to preserve Pendlebury for two more seasons. As McRae also identified, we have a leadership void in the very short term.
Just to clarify, I’m not against taking a quality forward if he falls in our lap but when you have so little trading currency during this off season, the chances are slim. What is available, is a glut of plug n play mids, some of who don’t even require a trade. You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
Improve our midfield and not only do we make the job easier for our ( existing ) forwards but we instantly improve our ability to run out four quarters.
Whatever people may or may not think of Weed, Krueger, Brander or whoever, one thing you can guarantee is that they won’t improve without a decent mid field in front of them.

Totally agree on potential midfielder availability.

Wright is a consummate professional and never speaks out of turn.
Judging by his public expression of interest in the Weid, he is acutely aware of our list deficiencies and working extremely hard overtly, and behind the scenes to correct it.

[MJ23]

We have serious holes in our list, and our senior players clearly need support.

Are you suggesting we just play Begg, McMahon, Ginny, Beau and Henry up forward..
Reef, Daicos, Macrae, Poulter and Bianco through the guts…
Along with Rusco, Murphy, Kelly, and Keane down back…
And pray that Checkers, Pendles, Adam’s, Sidey, Howe and the Rough pick up the slack without further derailing their careers?

Here’s hoping they won’t be demoralised, traumatised and snapped in half by hard bodied, professionals with proven track records and years of gruelling pre-seasons under their belts.

Dont know what your point is - you listed 20 players without Elliot, Degoey, Maynard, IQ, Thomas, both Browns, Cameron, Nobel, Ash Johnson whose 25 next year, Crisp, Josh Daicos, WHE, Lynch, Wilson and an AA CHB in Moore.

And you think we should top it up with 5 players who cant break into their own sides best 22 with kids younger than them going past them.......Ok then.

No doubt some players are moving out and others in but we hardly need to play half our team of kids. Yet we need the kids to get games and bring in speculative unproven players is what Carlton has done the last few years.

Mayne, Greenwood and Tohil are gone.

There’s 3 spots that need filling prior to trades, further delistings and unforeseen <snip> - Let's just not. What about, say, "happenings." Thanks, BBMods. .

A mature body in the midfield and KPF posts won’t prevent the development of our kids, it will simply give them some breathing space to develop their skills, and prevent them from unnecessary injuries.

That’s my point.

Yeah three players I didn’t list. Along with Cox
Don’t mean three to four more “never gonna bes” fill those roles. That’s what Carlton found out.

[MJ23]

- Checkers is a half back admirably attempting to hold down a KPF role.

- Cameron is a ruckman resting forward

- Elliot stands at 178cm, is injury prone and holds down our goal square

- Henry is a first year forward flanker shouldering the expectations of a 7 pre-season 25 year old

- Magic Johnson is a lightly framed wildcard with a couple of seasons of senior footy under his belt

- Begg is a kid who has played the majority of his junior footy as a Ruckman

- McMahon is a teenager who weighs 85kgs dripping wet

Anyone see a hole in our list that needs to be filled?

Great - name a player who we could get that would fill that role. This year.

[inxs88]

We have serious holes in our list, and our senior players clearly need support.

Are you suggesting we just play Begg, McMahon, Ginny, Beau and Henry up forward..
Reef, Daicos, Macrae, Poulter and Bianco through the guts…
Along with Rusco, Murphy, Kelly, and Keane down back…
And pray that Checkers, Pendles, Adam’s, Sidey, Howe and the Rough pick up the slack without further derailing their careers?

Here’s hoping they won’t be demoralised, traumatised and snapped in half by hard bodied, professionals with proven track records and years of gruelling pre-seasons under their belts.

Good call. We need some senior bodies and strength to augment the youth. And for those who are arguing against fringe players from other clubs: THAT'S ALL WE CAN AFFORD. So pick the best that fill positional needs with us.

[5:11pm]

- Checkers is a half back admirably attempting to hold down a KPF role.

- Cameron is a ruckman resting forward

- Elliot stands at 178cm, is injury prone and holds down our goal square

- Henry is a first year forward flanker shouldering the expectations of a 7 pre-season 25 year old

- Magic Johnson is a lightly framed wildcard with a couple of seasons of senior footy under his belt

- Begg is a kid who has played the majority of his junior footy as a Ruckman

- McMahon is a teenager who weighs 85kgs dripping wet

Anyone see a hole in our list that needs to be filled?

Great - name a player who we could get that would fill that role. This year.

Forward - The Weid, Finlayson or worst case scenario Jenkins

Mids - Lipinski on a wing and one of Dunstan, Constable, Will Brodie, and as suggested bu other Nicksters - Wallis (probably too expensive but fits the requirements) or Dumont (admittedly more of a wingman but could play hard in the centre).

They all appear to be available and going cheap.

Any of the above present a far better option than your expectation of letting our new generation of talented kids stand alone in a professional full contact sport.

[BazBoy]

Graham’s record speaks for itself and he and Craig will put heads together to highlight the gaps needed filled and what’s out there

[Hitchhiker]

Any love for Matt Kennedy from the Blues?

I've never previously been much of a fan but he had a solid run when back in the side

24yrs old, former 1st round pick, good size, and out of contract, I think he spent the year on the rookie list

I'll concede, I don't watch a lot of games in which the pies aren't playing, so I may be a bit too influenced by his good game when the Blues beat us this year