The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[Magpie Russ]

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[Magpie Russ]

[Pies2016]

Playing devil’s advocate, isn’t Lipinski worth more than a fourth rounder?
Otherwise I’d much rather Collingwood go after very good to excellent players rather than get the “Jack Dyer” player who is a good, ordinary one. We obviously need to recruit better players than we currently have to improve the list. Is Lipinski better than most of our players?

As above, Lazza. The Dogs have no leverage in this trade cause he is out of contract.
The Dogs could put forward a better offer to Lipinski but until they do, they are almost at the mercy of his new destination club.
Sometimes the parent club can call the players bluff and say “ Stuff you then, we’re not caving in to a one sided trade offer. Go take your chances in the pre season draft “. In this instance, that would suit us fine because we have the second pick in that draft, so he makes his way to us for absolutely nothing anyway.
Lipinski is a reasonable size. He’s versatile and he’s exactly the age demographic we need. He’s no superstar but he’s very close to a free hit as per the above. You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

Playing devil’s advocate, isn’t Lipinski worth more than a fourth rounder?

What we should offer and what he’s worth are two different things

We should offer the bare minimum that we think will get the deal done. Especially to a club that gave us nothing for the player we’re still paying 20% of his salary

Having said that, I would like to remind people that groan about paying any of Treloar’s salary that it’s not as uncommon as oppo fans like to make out. There have been others more recently but rhebone I always remember is Woewoedin. Dees were paying half his salary. IIRC he was on about $450k, so more than we’re paying for Adam. Way more considering inflation

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

^ Bit of a message there I think... Richards re-signs, gets a game straight away. Lipinski says he wants to leave, No game for you!

Even if they recalled Teddy Whitten and Doughie Hawkins, I couldn't see them beating Port this week.

Pretty sure that would be a guaranteed loss if they recalled a dead guy and a 61yo

Without them I don’t think you can write them off though. Poort have a terrible record against top 8 teams this year

[Charlie Oneeye]

i don't think it's about money

Was omitted for 1 game due to injury in round 10,came back in round 11 and dropped the week after.

Came back in round 16 and out the next week, and finally got another game round 20 and dropped again. Hasn't played since.

Hasn't ever really excelled.

At age 23 , and looking from afar, one could assume he isn't up to it. But with a 3 yr contract on the table, there is more here than meets the eye.

Me thinks he isn't in his preferred role ? Certainly has his faults, but maybe he is looking for a onball opportunity rather than money.

At this stage he isn't better that say a WHE, so I don't know what to do with him, but at 23 he would be a handy addition, and we can go from there. Perhaps Crisp V2.

Then again, it could be about money, Dogs offered peanuts. 10% more would snap him up.

[npalm]

^ I suspect it's just about opportunities to play senior football. He's a midfielder but unfortunately for him he's about the eighth best midfielder at the dogs.


As for everyone here talking tough and only offering a 4th rounder or we'll force him thru the PSD etc, I think you're forgetting the player's role in any trade discussions. Lipinksi is a lifelong dogs supporter and is reportedly happy at the club. I suspect he would not accept this tough approach.
It's not like he wouldn't have plenty of other clubs prepared to offer him a position. And some of those clubs currently would be more attractive options.

[npalm]

Even if they recalled Teddy Whitten and Doughie Hawkins, )

If that was a young Teddy Whitten, I'd pay very good money to watch that.
Could you imagine the chaos he would create playing 1950's style football?
By quarter time, he'd have 3 or 4 goals on the board, he'd be on multiple reports and the port defenders would be absolutely terrorised and queueing up for the interchange bench.

[npalm]

^ Having said that, if it's time in the midfield he's looking for then we are a very attractive destination for him.
I'm expecting a continuing reduction in the number of midfield minutes for the ageing Pendles and Sidebottom, so the only other midfielders that would be ahead of Lipinski now would be Adams, Crisp and DeGoey\Elliot.

[Pies4shaw]

^ I suspect it's just about opportunities to play senior football. He's a midfielder but unfortunately for him he's about the eighth best midfielder at the dogs.

Maybe he's unhappy that their 10th best mid is being paid $900,000 a year (admittedly not all by Footscray)?

[MJ23]

Playing devil’s advocate, isn’t Lipinski worth more than a fourth rounder?
Otherwise I’d much rather Collingwood go after very good to excellent players rather than get the “Jack Dyer” player who is a good, ordinary one. We obviously need to recruit better players than we currently have to improve the list. Is Lipinski better than most of our players?

As above, Lazza. The Dogs have no leverage in this trade cause he is out of contract.
The Dogs could put forward a better offer to Lipinski but until they do, they are almost at the mercy of his new destination club.
Sometimes the parent club can call the players bluff and say “ Stuff you then, we’re not caving in to a one sided trade offer. Go take your chances in the pre season draft “. In this instance, that would suit us fine because we have the second pick in that draft, so he makes his way to us for absolutely nothing anyway.
Lipinski is a reasonable size. He’s versatile and he’s exactly the age demographic we need. He’s no superstar but he’s very close to a free hit as per the above. You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

Agree pies2016 - he is out of contract and wants to come to us. He does not want to stay and His love of bulldogs is one thing, the business of footy and getting games is another. When he did get chances at senior level he was played as a forward. He had little mid time, the dogs supporters all agree on this. Dogs did try and screw us so Id be pushing hard for PSD or late pick. They actually need picks/points more than players to land Darcy. We dont have that to give now anyway.

Ive been fairly negative about nearly every player linked to us. Really dont think we are in a position to take mediocre players that have been given every chance and cant cement a best 22 spot. Lipinski given the depth of mids in front might be a little diff.

I watched him live at Blacktown against the giants and he was best on ground by a mile. He dominated the middle, ran both ways, kicking was elite I dont think he missed a target with 18 kicks and had a heap of score involvement's. This was with Ugle-Hagan kicking 5.

[Boogie Knights]

There's a big difference between players that are not in best 22's at good teams and bad teams... also for any team that has a position of strength where one player or a group dominate that position.

Take Max Lynch as an example.... he has shown he is a capable ruckman and would be appealing to many clubs as a result. The only thing really stopping him getting a game at the second bottom team is that he is behind one of the best ruckmen in the comp.

Bulldogs are both a very good side and have a strong, deep midfield. Lipinski would walk into many teams best 22 automatically.

When you're looking to find that moneyball recruit with few resources, you are looking at players at good teams or those that are behind stars and subsequently being starved of opportunity. Lipinski ticks both boxes - as do others mentioned on the boards (Constable, Stephens etc.)

Just because a player is not in their current team's best 22, does not make them mediocre.

[MJ23]

^ yes in some circumstances Id agree. Jack Crisp a classic case.

More often than not though I wouldn't. There is a reason they are not getting games - just need to understand what it is. When kids younger go past a player in their preferred position Id say they are not up to std.

To name a few, Stephens, Naish and even Weidemen to me have serious questions about ability to answer.

[nomadjack]

Narkle still without a contract next year. Well worth a look.

[Pies2016]

^ ^ ^

As you said, we all know he’s not the complete package or he would be getting a game every week. And if he was a gun, the club either locks him away for life or it costs you two first round sets to lever him out anyway.
It’s just about the destination club identifying both an opportunity for improvement in the individual and to the list. Narkle ( linked to Richmond ) is another one who does little wrong when he gets a chance but is always the first one dropped.
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