The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

Rd10.1998_11.1#36 · Post by **Rd10.1998_11.1#36** » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:22 pm

Big T wrote:
Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: we only have 4 players contracted beyond 2022
Does that include treloar Stephenson Philips

No because we are only paying Treloar $200k/ year which is about 1% of the cap, and AFAIK we’re not paying Stevo or Philips (or Aish) anything so why should they be included?

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:12 am

Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote:
Big T wrote:
Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: we only have 4 players contracted beyond 2022
Does that include treloar Stephenson Philips
No because we are only paying Treloar $200k/ year which is about 1% of the cap, and AFAIK we’re not paying Stevo or Philips (or Aish) anything so why should they be included?

$850 over 5yr for Treloar - $166 p/y. The last min argument was over how much front loaded and I dont know how that ended up but I beleive we paid more this year than the $166k av.

Not paying Stevo a cent - hence the trade return for him

Philips was around $100k across 2 years. last year being next year.

Ive said it before - I dont buy statements on our supposed cap issues - there are many reasons why Wright would want that to be the narrative as he re-shapes our list.

jackcass · Post by **jackcass** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:44 am

MJ23 wrote:Philips was around $100k across 2 years. last year being next year.

Phillips was only contracted for 2021 when we traded him so I'm pretty sure we've fully paid anything for him within that timeline.

MJ23 wrote:Ive said it before - I dont buy statements on our supposed cap issues - there are many reasons why Wright would want that to be the narrative as he re-shapes our list.

I agree.

inxs88 · Post by **inxs88** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:46 am

Graham Wright (when at Hawks) said upon the Phillips recruitment that Hawks were paying 100% of his salary (especially given we only got pick 65).

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:17 am

^ hmm. just going through old text messages and cant find the one on Phillips.

Either way, its immaterial to our overall cap. With all the kids we brought in and Greenwood, Maynard and prob Cox moving on min I think we will be in a good position.

jackcass · Post by **jackcass** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:26 am

^ the "Wright said..." argument has been raised before but I've never seen a link to it. The $300k in 2021 for Phillips was confirmed on Bigfooty by someone with claimed family connections.

Really it's neither here nor there. I'm happy to go with the $300k in 2021. Seems a reasonable position.

Salient point really is that Phillips has no TPP impact 2022 and beyond.

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:54 am

jackcass wrote:^ the "Wright said..." argument has been raised before but I've never seen a link to it. The $300k in 2021 for Phillips was confirmed on Bigfooty by someone with claimed family connections.

Really it's neither here nor there. I'm happy to go with the $300k in 2021. Seems a reasonable position.

Salient point really is that Phillips has no TPP impact 2022 and beyond.

I heard $50k per year for 2 years and I heard $15o total. Source on Phillips wasn't 100% but I assumed there was cash.

Source on Treloar is 100% - from player side not club.

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Been thinking about this Draft and how we get "into it" more than we are.
Key is IF we can get a 2nd and 3rd round pick in we cover the deficit IF Nick goes no 1. We would need 3 or more 3rd rounders in that situation. If he goes no 2 then a low 2nd rd or even a 3rd rd gets it done.

We need to wipe this deficit.

Once Nick is called out and we match, Id be looking to GWS again. They have pick 2 and 13. Looking at their list they have a lot of youth already that dont get games. Believing we will again finish lower on the ladder they may be willing to do this deal on trade night which gets us back in.

Worst case we give up a no 1,2 or 3 talent next year. BUT we could bring in another first rd talent this year with Daicos and the kids from last year.

NEXT year is where we would have a crack at existing FA.

Or we say Nick being best kid in the country this year plus a couple of speculative and keep our pick next year as draft or trade currency.

inxs88 · Post by **inxs88** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:56 pm

Wright was interviewed on NAB Trade Radio (last year when at Hawks) and said they're paying ALL of Phillips wage

sherrife · Post by **sherrife** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:09 pm

Saw something on AFL site: JDG in exchange for Pick 2 + Jake Riccardi.

I doubt we're going to trade JDG, but I would happily do it for a decent deal. He's getting old now, and I dislike everything about him except his occasional brilliance.

A related question, is there a precedent with clubs doing deals to prevent them picking players you want? Eg if we had pick 2 could we get North not to pick Daicos?

jackcass · Post by **jackcass** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:12 pm

^ and Phillip's family apparently saying they're not.

Pretty sure there's also been some mention by the club of a contribution toward Phillips this year.

alexjvillani · Post by **alexjvillani** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:12 pm

sherrife wrote:Saw something on AFL site: JDG in exchange for Pick 2 + Jake Riccardi.

I doubt we're going to trade JDG, but I would happily do it for a decent deal. He's getting old now, and I dislike everything about him except his occasional brilliance.

A related question, is there a precedent with clubs doing deals to prevent them picking players you want? Eg if we had pick 2 could we get North not to pick Daicos?

Na, have been liking him in the midfield and would hate to verse him and have him tear us apart because we aren't persistent. Rather trade off players such as Sier, Thomas and Lynch for some value.

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:13 pm

^ ^yep believe it’s called Draft tampering.

sherrife · Post by **sherrife** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:17 pm

MJ23 wrote:^ ^yep believe it’s called Draft tampering.

Yeah but does it happen is my question...

Also if people think we're going to get picks in rounds 2 or 3 for Thomas, Cox and Sier, they're dreaming. Maybe Lynch might get us a 3rd rounder. I think Thomas stays because he's decent and worth nothing on the market, Cox goes just to save us money.

alexjvillani · Post by **alexjvillani** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:23 pm

^^ Cox has always been a question mark for me. Yes he's only played a handful of really impactful games but our delivery into the forwardline is horrific. Would another club with a game plan that promotes good forward entry benefit from having Cox as he is basically unbeatable when he has the run at it.

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