The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[Pies2016]

I prefer others but if it costs us next to nothing, we have nothing to lose.

That’s not quite true. IF he doesn’t fire a shot, we still give up something of a trade, we still wear his contract for at least two years and he still ties up our clubs resources while he consistently kicks a couple every week in the VFL.
Conversely, if he magically takes his game to a whole new level at a second club as a 24 / 25 year old, then that’s a great result.
Personally, I don’t see it happening.

[qldmagpie67]

Personally I see us being for more active in the trade period than some imagine
My understanding is that part of the McRae appeal and presentation to the sub committee was his comprehensive break down of our current list and a strong SWOT analysis of the same
He was bullish about a few of our young players and presented a game style he believed the group could play and be at a minimum competitive weekly
He was very thoughtful in underlining our strengths and weaknesses as seen from a outsider who’s been part of plotting our demise over the past few seasons
He listed a core of players who along with our current younger players he believed we could build around to be a strong game in game out performer
Players not in that core group who he considered expendable or tradable were Roughhead WHE Thomas Sidebottom Cox Cameron Seir Keane Murphy and Magden
How deep we cut/cull the list is likely dependant on who we can grab to bring in
There may be players on his expendable list who stay simply because there isn’t a better alternative available
None of them brings in any top end draft picks but could be used as players used in trading and freeing up cap space
Likewise the appointment of both Leppa and Bolton who are both known for strong player development coaches
I’m told Bolton is a astute one in one coach with young players which where our list is at is exactly what we need and leaves the head coach to concentrate on the the overall team structure
Interesting times ahead and I for one am excited to see what happens over the next 2 months

[5:11pm]

Yeah a club that needs a ruckman... add Dogs and GCS (backup/fill in for Witts) to the list above

Brizzy?

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

Big O did well in their last game but then again it was against the Dogs who don’t have a ruck, so...

[5:11pm]

Big O did well in their last game but then again it was against the Dogs who don’t have a ruck, so...

Will be interesting to see if Cox carries any currency should a couple of teams become interested…

[jackcass]

The problems with Cox are:

1. He has been on far too much money and needs to take a massive cut (like 50%) even to be considered to stay

Nah, the problem with his salary is supporters in the modern age overly obsess about it. He probably never should have been on more that $500k but it is what it is. A $50-100K overspend in isolation isn't much of an issue.

2. How many forward/ruck combos do we really need?

Only ever 1 at a time. The question isn't so much "how many" but "do we have the right ones"

3. If we want Lipinski (or whoever) and no future draft deficit, we need to trade out someone who actually has some value to another team, which could be Mason

I don't want Lipinski. I'll offer an opinion on "whoever" when we put a name to them.

[Macattacks]

On: N Daicos Dib Lipinski Krueger Stephens Stengle

Off: Cox Lynch Thomas Mayne Greenwood Tohill

[warburton lad]

On: N Daicos Dib Lipinski Krueger Stephens Stengle

Off: Cox Lynch Thomas Mayne Greenwood Tohill

Current Draft order : 36, 39, 41, 45

Off Mayne & Greenwood (Retired) Tohill (rookie)

Proposed trades & Pick ups...

Cox to St Kilda (pick 46)
Sier to Gold Coast (pick 55)
Lynch and Pick 36 to Geelong for Kreuger & Pick 32
Noble to North for Pick 38
Dylan Stephens from Swans for future 2nd rounder

Mitch Wallis as Unrestricted Free Agent
Pat Lipinski through Pre-Season draft

Off 2021 List

Mayne, Greenwood, Tohill (r), Cox, Sier, Lynch, Noble (all traded)- Josh Thomas- delisted

Pies 'New' Draft order
32,38,39,41,45,46,55. 2800 draft points in total...

Onto 2022 List

Nick Daicos (assuming North call him out first it will cost us 2400 points)
The 400 points left over becomes Pick 42...
If Daicos is called out by GWS, it will cost us 2000 points (approx) which means we will have 800 points left over which is Pick 24 (Happy days...)
This pick could be used on the best available tall....

Pick up Mitch Wallis as a Unrestricted Free agent
Walk Lipinski to the pre-season draft
Add Dylan Stephens through trade (as above)

Just a thought

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

Good thoughts as usual WL. While I don’t agree with all of them (would like to keep Noble for example) what is does show is that we have more options for trading than ‘popular opinion’ makes out

the problem with his [Cox] salary is supporters in the modern age overly obsess about it.

Supporters obsess about Mason’s $550k salary because he’s a Cat B rookie, and because he’s inconsistent and because his contract was poorly structured but most of all because we stuffed our salary cap and had to jettison players like a sinking ship which is an appropriate metaphor in this case because we sank from 6th to 17th in the process due To that and other factors

I don't want Lipinski. I'll offer an opinion on "whoever" when we put a name to them.

There are plenty of names being floated both in this thread and in general. Lipinski is the only one I could get excited about, the rest are mostly 30+ or not upgrades on what we currently have - punts at best

[inxs88]

On: N Daicos Dib Lipinski Krueger Stephens Stengle

Off: Cox Lynch Thomas Mayne Greenwood Tohill

Current Draft order : 36, 39, 41, 45

Off Mayne & Greenwood (Retired) Tohill (rookie)

Proposed trades & Pick ups...

Cox to St Kilda (pick 46)
Sier to Gold Coast (pick 55)
Lynch and Pick 36 to Geelong for Kreuger & Pick 32
Noble to North for Pick 38
Dylan Stephens from Swans for future 2nd rounder

Mitch Wallis as Unrestricted Free Agent
Pat Lipinski through Pre-Season draft

Off 2021 List

Mayne, Greenwood, Tohill (r), Cox, Sier, Lynch, Noble (all traded)- Josh Thomas- delisted

Pies 'New' Draft order
32,38,39,41,45,46,55. 2800 draft points in total...

Onto 2022 List

Nick Daicos (assuming North call him out first it will cost us 2400 points)
The 400 points left over becomes Pick 42...
If Daicos is called out by GWS, it will cost us 2000 points (approx) which means we will have 800 points left over which is Pick 24 (Happy days...)
This pick could be used on the best available tall....

Pick up Mitch Wallis as a Unrestricted Free agent
Walk Lipinski to the pre-season draft
Add Dylan Stephens through trade (as above)

Just a thought

Love a good deep dive into trade possibilities Warburton Lad. Very astute points. Couple of thoughts:

* Cox: I have it on good authority that no clubs have come forward regarding Cox as of now. He may be asking for too much $$$

* The Lynch/Kreuger swap with draft pick upgrade looks fair

* Noble to North shall never happen as the Father coach/son player never works especially a fringe player like John. Just ask Dennis and Ryan Pagan about this impossible situation.

* Sier to Gold Coast is an issue for two reasons. They have no list spots available even after de-listings plus Sier as an inside mid is superfluous to needs.

* Stephens for future second rounder (approx. pick 20-25) seems fair for a former pick 5 with tools.

* Lipinski to pre-season helps if CC Jones wants to go to North and negotiations break down between Tigers and Roos.

[Pies2016]

^ ^ ^. W L

I think the trades are fair, although as we all know, it takes three party’s to agree to a trade. ( player, destination club, parent club )
I think there is an issue with your points calculations. The points for Daicos are automatically deducted from the next available Collingwood selections.
In scenario where #2 pick ( GWS ) calls out Daicos and we have 800 points left over, that doesn’t revert back to a pick the equal of the same value left over in points. Our earliest picks are all wiped away in order and once we have coughed up 2000 points, whatever picks are left unused, remain as our next selection. If our first pick was 32, we certainly wouldn’t get 24 back after we handed over 2000 points worth.
Same outcome can be used for N D being called out at pick # 1. We don’t get 400 points back, we just lose our earliest selections in order to get to the 2400 points required. Whatever is left over, remains our next pick.

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

Cox wants more salary than anyone is prepared to offer him? Gee, I wonder where he got that idea from

[Jezza]

^ Thanks for posting, qldmagpie.

Very interesting reading that.

[jackcass]

Supporters obsess about Mason’s $550k salary because he’s a Cat B rookie

Gee, sorry. I didn't know there was a limit on what Cat B rookies (even though he's now actually senior listed) can be paid. Is that specified in the enterprise agreement?

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

Ok so you’re ignoring the rest of my post

No need to be a sarcastic dickhead, just say you think a guy from a non-football background who plays 1 good game a year should send the club broke

If another club offers him half a mil I’ll eat my words