The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[Macattacks]

Evidently we don't have to, we still maintain our claim on him but he's miles off and won't play next year so if you throw Keane over to Cat B it creates another spot on the list, unless they have a more advanced Cat B in mind to replace Tohill.

Unlikely he'll play seniors but I'd be very surprised if they couldn't get him ready for some VFL exposure. Only way I'd entertain him not being added this year is if he is allowed to play at Oakleigh chargers as an overage player and we can access him as a top up developmental player.

That seems to be the talk but I'm not really interested in any of that, it's just a technical question about Cat B requirements which you obviously don't know and don't have the nuggets to admit.

[piedys]

As I recall, no AFL club has been penalised for a salary cap breach since Carlton nearly 20 years ago

Adelaide had draft sanctions applied in 2012. Between that and the 2002 Carlton incident you mentioned, multiple clubs (including us) received financial penalties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_salary_cap#Breaches

Nice sleuth work there!
Forgot about the Adelaide/Tippett thing, and I wasn't aware of those other cap sanctions imposed. All of which were relatively financially minor, compared to the punishment Carlton effectively inflicted upon themselves.

[piedys]

Reid turns 30 this year. UFA

So if he is forced out of Pink ducks cap, do we take him?

He is probably a better bet for a year or two than Lynch [Crows DFA] or Jenkins [likely to be cut at Geebung].
If he spends half the season in the medical room, so be it. It will be cheap bargain get, without a warranty; buyer beware.

No more old hacks. Stick with youngsters.
Sick of people throwing up duds like this just because they may be "available".
Have we not learned?

Oh yes, we have learned indeed. I've learned we are no longer in Premiership window, and now need short term strong cheap cannon fodder.
Unfortunately these "available duds" that you so despise are more likely to take a contested mark inside F50 than the alleged elite talent on our list, which has sent our cap to the brink and beyond.
Will you be happy watching Kelly, Begg and McMahon getting smashed in packs by experienced KPDs?
Or shall we ask Mason to take a pay cut, or just leave all the heavy lifting to Mihocek again? Something must give here...

Lynch 31 tomorrow and Jenkins 33(!) in Feb

When Geelong are cutting 33yos you know they're cooked

True dat. How about a year on low-heat?!

I think the general theory for a rebuilding side like us would be to get the mids and defence set, with a few project bigs to grow with the young mids... then by the time you're entering your sweet spot, you know if any of those bigs will pan out. If yes, great, if no, that's when you go to market for an established one.

Logic is solid, but as things stand, there is no guarantee of any KPP being available for 2023 or beyond, that we can firstly afford by cap and trade, or secondly have the desire to play for us. Thus the cheap 2nd hand market for a year or two is a most viable option in this instance.

Those wanting Weid on the cheap, would you have as much interest if he went by any other name (not Collingwood related)? He'll be 25 early next season, and has not shown the development you would expect (even of a tall) for this point in his career relative to his draft position (or draft peers). He could make it, but at this point the likelihood is not good, and with reduced playing list numbers, you really can't afford to carry someone just because you got him cheap....

Reduced playing lists are unfortunate, however we are arguably carrying a few players who aren't exactly cheap.
Bargain basement mature age players are worth the risk for a season or two, until the kids start to development their size and tanks.
Weid most arguably the best of a crop that hasn't quite taken the next step.

We could have gone for Peter Wright, cost bugger all and Suns paying part of his salary, but he's at Essendon now.

He played 4 good games and 1 outstanding game. If it wasn’t for that 7-goal haul he’d be marked as a first year failure. Got nowhere near it in that final.
Looked fantastic against an undersized WB defence under the roof, and kicked 7.0. I was a 2MP fan and wished we tried to get him, but I reckon he’s an old school prototype now.

Give Wright another year to settle in at Dopers, and stay injury free.
Evidently we couldn't even cover what the suns weren't paying, to secure him for 2021, things were that grim. Too bad he didn't delay his departure until this trade period; we'd have been looking good to nab him.

[derkd]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

[ronrat]

JDG is a match winner. Hopefully going nowhere.

[jatsad]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

You NEVER give away your best players just reaching their prime.

[inxs88]

^^ Geeze Id hope his list strategy / analysis wasn't as simple as that.
I mean throw a group of fringe player names on the table, add one of our oldest players and mix Sidebottom in ?

Almost like he'd have a Sidebottom agenda

"six drops of sinister sauce. Hello daddy, I'm Milton your brand new son"!

[inxs88]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

you lost me at DIACOS

[inxs88]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

Love a good trade hypothetical but we can secure Lipinski with a third rounder in (2021 or 2022). Stephens for a 2022 second rounder and still keep DeGoey. Hopefully we can scunge enough late draft index points from:

* Cox
* Sier
* Lynch

Especially considering the teams with the most picks have the least spots, namely Gold Coast and the Lions.

[MJ23]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

you lost me at DIACOS

As well as turning one of the few A graders we have into a couple of unproven potential list cloggers.

[Pies2016]

^ ^ ^

Not that I’m in favour of trading DeGoey but all that aside, the last thing you would do is chop up #3 in the draft for scraps to secure Lipinski and Stephens and to avoid a 2022 draft deficit.
I know you want to take #3 out of the equation for obvious reasons but you would either on trade it for another gun player before the draft or you could trade it out for a 2022 first round future and then come back into the 2021 draft after Daicos was picked up.
Lipinski and Stephens ( as per your examples ) could probably both be secured with a future second rounder and via the PSD, while a possible draft deficit ( depending on players we trade out ) of 200 points isnt the end of the world, albeit not preferred.
Pick 3 ( likely pick 5 on the night ) in the draft isnt easy to come by, so you either draft a likely ten year player or you trade it out for a rolled gold quality player down the spine.

[derkd]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

You NEVER give away your best players just reaching their prime.

Fair point, we are assuming De Goey will reach his prime...injuries (so far) and form have suggested not. As a midfield/forward his worth is massive. But his value has fluctuate hugely over the last few seasons.


His form in the midfield for the latter half of this year was really good. I would want to see that for a full season before I am sold.

[Macattacks]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

https://youtu.be/D22pE_9LAxg

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

I'm not the one proclaiming anything. Especially nothing as silly as a ceiling on potential earnings for Cat B rookies simply because they're Cat B rookies

Nobody suggested a ceiling that's just the straw man you decided to set up

[jatsad]

Right so, people say "think big". As I see it the looming disaster is that bringing Diacos in affects our draft hand over two drafts.

Here is a trade idea that might not be popular with all....but as they say you have to give up something of value to get something of value.

I have not fleshed this completely out but here is the nucleus:

Collingwood out to Gold Coast: De Goey + pick 36 (502 points)

Gold Coast Out to Collingwood: Pick 3 and Pick 19 (total points: 3182)

Collingwood hold onto pick 19 to pay for Diacos, pick 3 could be broken down into a few picks in the teens to land Stephens from Sydney, and Lapinski from the Dogs. And Dibb in the draft I am aware Lapinski should only cost maybe a late second rounder at best.

So problems I am aware of.....Obviously De Goey would have to be cool with going to the Suns (unlikely) Gold Coast would have to want to take De Goey. We would also have to find a club interested in taking pick 3 and having the draft picks to exchange.

Firstly, this trade would have some advantages, namely that we would free up more cap space to go after a big free agent fish next year. It would also mean we are chewing into 2023 draft to pay for the now.

Secondly it opens up options for this trade period.

Thoughts and critiquing? All are welcome...I am aware this is a polarising trade hypothitical.

You NEVER give away your best players just reaching their prime.

Fair point, we are assuming De Goey will reach his prime...injuries (so far) and form have suggested not. As a midfield/forward his worth is massive. But his value has fluctuate hugely over the last few seasons.

Have a look at the second half of this year. When allowed to play midfield, he was great.

New coaches will certainly help as the previous lot had no idea.