The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[Macattacks]

Points: 22 (805) 36 (502) 41 (412) 43 (378) 46 (331) 48 (302) 58 (170) Total: 2900


On:

N Daicos 22 36 41 Total 1760 (picked 3rd requiring 1787 points)

Pick 43 (Hine special)

Lipinski 46

Kreuger 48

Dib 58

[Pies2016]

We seem to want Lippi and the German for near nothing, and want the most for ML.

I want tNick Daicos. Happy to do a deal with the Suns for our 2022 3nd rounder, but I'd also like to keep 36 41 43... these are basically late 2nd rounders..

In effect (from Suns)22, 36 41 43 = 2137 , that is almost exactlywhat we need to cover Nick at Pick 2. 2517 points - 20%.

Collingwood 2020 draft pics 23, 30, 31, 44
23 Reef McInnes
30 Caleb Poulter
31 Liam McMahon
44 Beau McCreery

So we Select Nick Daicos and forego these types. I almost want to further dip into 2022

It’s also all relative to the quality of various drafts. 2020 was considered a strong draft, albeit the Vic kids played little footy ( which can be seen as either a plus or negative in terms of recruiting )
2021 starts with the Fab Four, then drops away to the “ almost great eight “ ( a humorous Twomey analogy ) and then becomes very speculative, very quickly.

[Pies2016]

I know a lot seem to be thinking that trading future second and third round picks is too much of a gamble, the understanding needs to be that the whole draft is really a gamble.

Going back to the drafts between 2011 - 2016 (players selected have/had the possibility of a 5-10 career, seems a good statistical sample).

18 players selected in each of the second and third rounds is 36 players in total each year:

2011: 16 players played 0-10 games, 9 players still on lists, (11 1st round no longer listed)

2012: 16 players played 0-10 games, 11 players still on lists, (12 1st round no longer listed)

2013: 7 players played 0-10 games, 22 players still on lists, (9 1st round no longer listed)

2014: 11 players played 0-10 games, 18 players still on lists, (7 1st round no longer listed)

2015: 10 players played 0-10 games, 14 players still on lists, (1 1st round no longer listed)

2016: 8 players played 0-10 games, 21 players still on lists, (1 1st round no longer listed)

The point for me is that second and third round selections 1 in 3 are a miss ( 10 games or less), and at best with 95 of 180 selections over the sample period it's a 50/50 chance of getting a decent player. Even the first round is hit and miss.

For the Pies over the period between 2011-2016 we had a total of 15 selections between the 1st and 3rd rounds, only 6 of those still play for us: Grundy, DeGoey, Moore, Maynard, Sier and Callum Brown.

WHE, Adams and Cameron fit the profile but were drafted by other clubs.

I don't think trading future 2nd or 3rd rounders for a known quantity in N. Daicos is too much of a risk.

Very true and a good read.
It’s exactly why top 10 picks are gold and shouldn’t be thrown around in trade discussions lightly. The best way to get a pick right at any draft is to get as close to the pointy end as possible. I think it’s really important we keep our 2022 first rounder intact ( unless it’s needed to pick up a ready made young gun ) while anything else afterwards is fair game for a beneficial trade.
People continue to underestimate the value of top 10 selections because there’s no instant gratification but the long term rewards can pay off huge if the right name is called out on the night.

[Take_a_Screamer]

Very good post by Born to Pie - I did not know that

[Pebbles Rocks]

Points: 22 (805) 36 (502) 41 (412) 43 (378) 46 (331) 48 (302) 58 (170) Total: 2900


On:

N Daicos 22 36 41 Total 1760 (picked 3rd requiring 1787 points)

Pick 43 (Hine special)

Lipinski 46

Kreuger 48

Dib 58

The chances of Daicos being 3rd picked are very slim

[jatsad]

Points: 22 (805) 36 (502) 41 (412) 43 (378) 46 (331) 48 (302) 58 (170) Total: 2900


On:

N Daicos 22 36 41 Total 1760 (picked 3rd requiring 1787 points)

Pick 43 (Hine special)

Lipinski 46

Kreuger 48

Dib 58

The chances of Daicos being 3rd picked are very slim

Not really.

Norf are really into JHF and he has stated he wants to go no 1.
And GWS have said they would bid on Darcy before Daicos.

So there is a chance.

[Macattacks]

The chances of Daicos being 3rd picked are very slim

Probably cost us the Hine special if he goes higher but I'm hoping North names their kid as number 1 and GWS bids on Darcy first

[Pep]

This is probably a discussion for next year, but, I had Mark Andersons words from the aftermath of last years trade period come to mind.

Correct if i'm wrong, but he said something along the lines that many or a few "quality players" expressed a desire to come to Collingwood but we couldn't afford due to our tight salary cap...

So apparently our cap is still tight next year from what GW said a few days ago, (weather thats true or not) so what "quality player" does anyone think we will try to attract for 2023?

Because all i'm hearing is that Moore, JDG and Maynard ore out of contract and we may need to sell again!! (which i don't believe)

I guess my point is. So we let go Treloar, Stevo, Phillips and Atu, to free up cap space so we could better attract or entertain the addition of a "quality player"...

At this years AGM,should the supporters put this question to the club?

[swoop42]

There are two very good reasons why protecting our 2022 1st round selection is far more important than keeping our future second.

The first and obvious one is that any points deficit when matching a bid on Daicos will push back our 2022 1st round selection.

The second one people shouldn't dismiss is the possibility we lose a Maynard, de Goey or Moore to free agency and owing to our finishing position accepting a 1st round free agency compensation selection is preferable to forcing a trade.

[Macattacks]

I guess my point is. So we let go Treloar, Stevo, Phillips and Atu, to free up cap space so we could better attract or entertain the addition of a "quality player"...

At this years AGM,should the supporters put this question to the club?

I'm pretty sure that was just the story to distract us from the bandaid being ripped off

The plan all along would have been to reboot with kids, hang on to Moore De Goey and Maynard, then maybe a FA to top us off, but all of that is 3 years minimum so they sold us a fairytale

[Macattacks]

"I think the players they're after, they'll be able to drive a hard bargain and get them in cheap."

- Sam Edmund on Collingwood

[robevpau1]

3,57pm.

Magpies, Suns deal imminent
By Daniel Cherny

The swap of picks between Collingwood and Gold Coast flagged early today is imminent.

Gold Coast is sending picks 22, 46, 58, 79 and a future 4th to Collingwood for future 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks.

[Macattacks]

We already have pick 78 so grabbing 79 off GC gives us the option of a late Hine Special after Dib

[Charlie Oneeye]

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I don't think trading future 2nd or 3rd rounders for a known quantity in N. Daicos is too much of a risk. [/quote]

Excellent, but we are Collingwood and everyone is worthy of martyrdom. lol


Agree Nick is worth it. An A grader, if he becomes that, is easily worth it.

I reckon we will be better than 17th next year. I predict we will finish 15th to 9th. Pick 4 to pick 10

Value of Picks
4 - 2034
5 - 1878
6 - 1751
7 - 1644
8 - 1551
9 - 1469
10-1395


We keep pick 36 and replace the points by downgrading pick 1 in 2022.

On the surface it seems a crime. But there is some degree of reasoning. We lose nothing, but gain 500 points or so.

All junior footy this year has been impacted, There will be many players who slip through the net.

The mid year draft will soak some up. By November, I think the top 10 pool will be still be deeper than previous years.

[robevpau1]