The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

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Macattacks wrote:If we get Nick for 1627 points (3rd) you've basically got the best player (3000 points) for almost half price and looks like we'll have plenty left over for Krueger, Lipinski, the mystery third player we are chasing, Dib and a couple of Hine Specials

Not bad for starting off with a packet of chips in the kitty
Looks like you have deducted the old F / S discount from pick 3.
F / S discount used to be 25 % but it’s now 20% reduction ( ie 1780 points odd )
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Charlie Oneeye wrote:The only way to assess is to calculate all of 2020/21/22 draft and trades and weigh it all up then.

No doubt an important aspect of the strategy was to accumulate a young core group as quickly as possible.

We cleared the decks by hook or by crook, and reset in the 2020 draft. We traded out 2021 because it would have been wasted on a player who we can get using points, not position.

Anyway, that's our story. Ignore the goldfish, and let's see how the chapter ends after next year's national draft.
Great call. With the recent addition of future trading, it does necessitate valuing
a club's trade performance over a 2-3 year period.
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Pies2016 wrote:
Looks like you have deducted the old F / S discount from pick 3.
F / S discount used to be 25 % but it’s now 20% reduction ( ie 1780 points odd )
It would appear I made the shameful mistake of trusting Fox Sports, good pick up

If a bid for Daicos comes at pick 1, the Magpies must use 2400 draft points. At pick 2, that’s reduced to 2014 points, and at pick 3 it’s 1627 points. If they don’t have enough points, they would go into draft deficit, pulling their 2022 first-round pick down the order to make up for it.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tr ... 4f9f4b152e

At least they got the first 2 calculations correct :x
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Daicos Bid: 1st = 2400, 2nd = 2014, 3rd = 1787

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Mystery player: Pick 22

Daicos: Picks 36 41 43 46 48 58 = Total 1793

Lipinski: (Lynch)
Kreuger: (Cox)
Dib: (Sier)

Pretty tight if we want to spend that pick 22
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MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:Sam Murray could have developed into one of the great running defenders of the competition if he had knuckled down.
Instead he nostril'd up :roll:
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The mystery 3rd player: I wonder if they are offering pick 22 for Lipinski and Richards? Works out to pick 40 and 41 if you split them.
Pay for Daics and Dib with rubbish picks and send Kreuger to the PSD
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ABC News on the Nick Daicos coming to Collingwood story this morning, and how trading away our "high draft picks" is a big risk...
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Silvani spoke well about the move on SEN.
Interestingly he said we could hold pick 22, see where Daicos is nominated.

If pick one, we use it and it gives us picks in the back end which should all come in as significant number of picks wont be used.

If he is not called pick one, immediately trade it out on the night. Can imagine this would be pre-arranged.
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Just noted

Pendlebury this morning signs for two years and will play an incredible 18 seasons
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“Being a one club player was one thing ,something I’m proud of
But my main motive is to do all that I can to assist Fly and the coaching group
to develop the new squad “

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BazBoy wrote:“Being a one club player was one thing ,something I’m proud of
But my main motive is to do all that I can to assist Fly and the coaching group
to develop the new squad “

Scott Pendlebury

October 5th. 2021
Great opportunity for Pendles to commence his Coaching career before further 'spreading his wings'!
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Fly if he tried even his upmost could not have picked a better on field assistant
He may not retain captaincy but that won’t change the immense knowledge he can pass on to the kids
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BazBoy wrote:Fly if he tried even his upmost could not have picked a better on field assistant
He may not retain captaincy but that won’t change the immense knowledge he can pass on to the kids
Agree 100%
On feild and OFF field. From training stds to game day preparation.
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Macattacks wrote:Daicos Bid: 1st = 2400, 2nd = 2014, 3rd = 1787

On:

Mystery player: Pick 22

Daicos: Picks 36 41 43 46 48 58 = Total 1793

Lipinski: (Lynch)
Kreuger: (Cox)
Dib: (Sier)

Pretty tight if we want to spend that pick 22
If I understand it correctly, there is a deficit a club can carry that will not impact their pick the following year.

If a club has a deficit of 300 points and finishes last their pick will remain at Pick 1 (3000-300 = 2700 > Pick 2 (2517)).

If a club has a deficit of 600 points and finishes last their pick will drop to Pick 3 (3000-600 = 2400 > Pick 3 (2234)).

Allowable deficit: 1st = 483, 2nd = 283, 3rd = 200, 4th = 156, 5th = 127, 6th = 107, 7th = 93, 8th = 82, 9th = 74.
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MJ23 wrote:Silvani spoke well about the move on SEN.
Interestingly he said we could hold pick 22, see where Daicos is nominated.

If pick one, we use it and it gives us picks in the back end which should all come in as significant number of picks wont be used.

If he is not called pick one, immediately trade it out on the night. Can imagine this would be pre-arranged.
I’m guessing if they did take it to the draft, established they didn’t need it cause J H F was called first, then you would likely give it up for a future second rounder. # 22 would be pretty desirable on the night and if we did trade out for a future, then we would pretty much have our 2022 draft hand back intact ( which would make the “ experts “ comments even sillier )

The key to pick 22 is whether Collingwood actually know where Daicos will be called out. If they don’t know, it restricts the options available to them but if they do know and it’s not #1, then a heap of opportunities open up to include #22 elsewhere both in trade week or on the night

MJ23 - what’s your best guess for where the Daicos bid comes ?
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