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What'sinaname wrote:^ They can stop reporting the fake numbers now that the tracking microchip has been implanted into the bulk of the population. No need to scare people into getting the tracking implant.
I love that one, as if the Governments needed tracking implants, QR codes or Apps to track people, most of us carry tracking devices everywhere we go.
Exhibit A,
Your phone helped plan during the pandemic.
Key points:
UNSW researchers used movement information based on phones being tracked
Google and Facebook information was the most useful despite other sources being available
Movement information was critical to controlling the virus
And it did it all while in your pocket, or handbag.
Wherever it was, tech giants tracked it and the NSW government used the data to inform its COVID-19 predictions.
Researchers have detailed how movement information logged by Facebook and Google helped predict pandemic peaks.
The data was fed into models developed by researchers at the University of NSW, which informed the state government’s roadmap out of lockdown.
Victoria's government has been ordered to release the details of confidential lockdown briefings after the state's privacy commission found there was significant public interest.
Key points:
Public Access Deputy Commissioner Joanne Kummrow ordered the release of more than 100 pages of briefings related to February's five-day lockdown
She rejected the Department of Health's argument that the release of the documents would "affect the frankness and candour" of future advice
The advice could be released within a fortnight if the department does not appeal against the decision
The Office of the Victorian Information Commissioner (OVIC) ruling relates to February's five-day lockdown but may pave the way for the advice behind other measures to be released.
Transparency of decision making, opportunity to see exactly how much of what was based on health advice. We already know that the Curfew which the CHO signed off on, wasn't based on health advice.
It's good to know that this means there are now only 4 levels of review/appeal before the information is disclosed - if the Government is concerned about any of it. So, if it is of any particular interest, don't expect to see it before, say, 2024 or a change of government at State level. If the content isn't of particular concern to the Government, you'll see it sooner, of course.
stui magpie wrote:Read the article Dave, we deserve to know how decisions were made.
Yes but I just think people will just use it to abuse Dan who was doing the best he thought for the State
It's based around the completely unnecessary Valentines Day lockdown that cost hospitality businesses hundreds of millions of dollars on one of their biggest weekends of the year.
Of course people deserve the truth, was it because the Victorian gold standard contact tracing team had fallen over with just a handful of cases and had to lockdown before they lost control? Did they actually **** up so badly they were calling people on their call sheets from December outbreak instead of the current outbreak?
This was also an outbreak that never spread outside its initial small group of very close contacts and had been contained before we went into lockdown.
Victoria's government has been ordered to release the details of confidential lockdown briefings after the state's privacy commission found there was significant public interest.
Key points:
Public Access Deputy Commissioner Joanne Kummrow ordered the release of more than 100 pages of briefings related to February's five-day lockdown
She rejected the Department of Health's argument that the release of the documents would "affect the frankness and candour" of future advice
The advice could be released within a fortnight if the department does not appeal against the decision
The Office of the Victorian Information Commissioner (OVIC) ruling relates to February's five-day lockdown but may pave the way for the advice behind other measures to be released.
Transparency of decision making, opportunity to see exactly how much of what was based on health advice. We already know that the Curfew which the CHO signed off on, wasn't based on health advice.
It's good to know that this means there are now only 4 levels of review/appeal before the information is disclosed - if the Government is concerned about any of it. So, if it is of any particular interest, don't expect to see it before, say, 2024 or a change of government at State level. If the content isn't of particular concern to the Government, you'll see it sooner, of course.
Yep, and 99% will be Cabinet-in-confidence which means you'll be waiting 30 years.
FOI processes are a labyrinth and a game for the strong-willed. One of my PhD students spent two years trying to track down documents relating to a major infrastructure project. The obfuscation and blatant refusal to follow access guidelines was mind-boggling. He finally got access to one key document after navigating his way through the appeals process only to find almost everything in the doc redacted. He ended up sending the FOI manager he was dealing with a Christmas card with everything but 'Dear Andrew' redacted. They are insanely skilled at preventing access to information.
Reported yesterday: 2,232 new local cases and 3 cases acquired overseas (currently in HQ).
- 37,824 vaccines administered
- 79,544 test results received
- Sadly, 12 people with COVID-19 have died
and in NSW:
- 372 new locally acquired cases
- 2 new overseas acquired cases
- 374 total new cases
- 523 people in hospital
- 124 people in ICU
- 1 death
stui magpie wrote:Read the article Dave, we deserve to know how decisions were made.
Yes but I just think people will just use it to abuse Dan who was doing the best he thought for the State
It's based around the completely unnecessary Valentines Day lockdown that cost hospitality businesses hundreds of millions of dollars on one of their biggest weekends of the year.
Of course people deserve the truth, was it because the Victorian gold standard contact tracing team had fallen over with just a handful of cases and had to lockdown before they lost control? Did they actually **** up so badly they were calling people on their call sheets from December outbreak instead of the current outbreak?
This was also an outbreak that never spread outside its initial small group of very close contacts and had been contained before we went into lockdown.
do you personally know any of the poor buggers who are actually doing this, making the calls? awfully hard when every second caller gives you a mouthful and doesnt tell the truth.
funny, people dont want to be treated like children, but when push comes to shove they act like a bunch of 6 grade mean girls plotting the downfall of the dags! actually worse, drunken dickhead men at a losing footy game!
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
What'sinaname wrote:Strange day. On the day we ease restrictions, we overtake NSW with the highest number of total COVID infections and we exceed 1,000 deaths.
That may well be temporary. NSW numbers had been creeping up slightly for the past 3 days and now have jumped. They currently have 82% of over 16's fully vaccinated (92.5% 1 dose) and are on track to hit 90% fully vaccinated before the end of the month.
With their restrictions now minimal, case number have to go up again.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
stui magpie wrote:Read the article Dave, we deserve to know how decisions were made.
Yes but I just think people will just use it to abuse Dan who was doing the best he thought for the State
Who cares what Dan "thought". His decisions must have been made based on advice so let's see that advice.
Dan has always said "On the advice of the CHO". So why now is he scared of that advice being made public?
It's not about 'Dan' and being scared. It's bog-standard practice across all governments (see examples below from Morrison Government and Gladys' crew) Partially it's about the politics but its also very much about making sure the decision-making process is robust and that people involved feel free and open to discuss issues and provide advice without filtering themselves and worrying what it might look like from the outside. In relative terms I'd say that the Andrews government has been more heavily scrutinised than most other Australian governments during COVID and arguably more transparent (that's not setting the bar particularly high...)
Fair points, but it's a double edged sword as I alluded above.
They can release the information and then suffer the scrutiny of it, or they can refuse/stall and be badgered about it all the way to the next election.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
That dilemma doesn't arise in this case. There are no allegations of impropriety or corruption. It's a merely political issue and it will divide, in the usual way, along political lines. It doesn't matter what information is disclosed or its specific content, there will continue to be an opposition that contends that the lockdown(s) was(were) inapt.
It's quite like hotel quarantine. Politically, no-one cares, except (some of) the people who aren't going to vote for them, anyway. They held an inquiry into that. I thought it was likely to be of some interest on here, so I started a thread about it. The issue was a damp squib, as was the thread: viewtopic.php?t=88056
My view isn't that it's just about the lockdowns, but specific restrictions.
The bloke from Jims Mowing is taking action over why sole traders like gardeners who were working outside away from people weren't allowed to continue. There's a number of inconsistencies in restrictions, you yourself have pointed that out, that people impacted by them will want explained.
Playgrounds being closed when there was no evidence of child transmission at playgrounds another example
Yes there are a large cohort of people who vote on party lines and won't care, but there's also a large cohort who don't and many will be angry and looking for justification.
Again, we'll see.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
