Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Dave The Man]

Every adverse reaction is recorded and serious ones are investigated and the data is reported on the TGA website weekly.

It's pretty transparent, no vaccine is 100% safe but people are still a lot more likely to die of Covid than the vaccine

I agree lot more people Die of Covid then having the Vaccine.

Guess the Problem is you don't know what Effect it will have on you.

I had AstraZanica 1st and that had no Issues with the Heart but Pfizer and Moderna has had Some Cases that it has.

I still get the Booster but can't get that info out of head

[stui magpie]

^
Have a talk to your Doctor. They can talk with you about your worries, what the risks are and what the best vaccine is for a booster for you.

[Dave The Man]

^
Have a talk to your Doctor. They can talk with you about your worries, what the risks are and what the best vaccine is for a booster for you.

I will do that as I have to see a Doctor about a Small Tear in my Right Shoulder before my Booster

[eddiesmith]

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I agree.

If we just stick to the mandatory vaccination argument, if that was to happen, there needs to be negative consequences to enforce non compliance.

We're already going to have people excluded from employment, many unnecessarily in my view, and unable to participate in general society for potentially a far greater term than necessary.

NSW is talking about doing away with the "vaccination passport" once 95% are fully vaccinated, Dan has said he sees it still in place for much of 2022 regardless of vaccination rate. For what possible reason can that be justified?

It'll be interesting to see if not only does Victoria continue with their bullshit rules, but if Dan continues with his initial call to have vaccine passports expire after 6 months if you don't get a booster, despite ATAGI advice to the contrary.

[David]

Anyway, interesting that only 3 countries in the world have made vaccinations mandatory for all adults.

Indonesia
Micronesia and
Turkmenistan

Funny that Turkmenistan opted for a mandatory vaxx policy given COVID doesn’t even exist there…

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-59168540

[Pies4shaw]

Yes - but it does exist here and here some fully-vaccinated people are dying of COVID they caught (obviously) from other people. In attention to affording protection to the vaccinated person, it affords substantial protection to others because it reduces the onward transmissibility of the virus, also. It's a dilemma whether we should let selfish arseholes assert their alleged "freedom" when we know statistically that doing so will cause a lot of misery to others - and anyone who thinks it isn't hasn't been paying attention.

[David]

[stui magpie]

Currently in Victoria we have 92.5% >16's with 1 dose. You assume that all of those who haven't yet will get the second.

You can't give financial incentives to the hesitant without risking serious blow back from all the other people who were hesitant but got it anyway.

Unfortunately I think the exclusion from society will need to be the stick, hopefully it's only temporary.

Covid is not going away and we aren't going to get 100% vaccination rate so people who are more cautious or vulnerable will just have to take their own precautions.

[David]

^ Maybe you'll get some grumbling if a cash incentive is brought in, but who cares? What's the worst that could happen? If the goal is maximum vaccination, then I think most reasonable people will understand why it's being done, and the rest can please themselves.

[stui magpie]

I think a lot of the Essential Workers who got told to get vaccinated or lose their job would care.

Anyway, if you're that resistant to getting vaccinated that you're willing to lose your job over it, I don't think a cash incentive is suddenly going to sway them. Liam Jones, the Carlton footballer, is refusing to get vaccinated which could cost him his $400k pa contract.

[David]

[stui magpie]

Maybe, or maybe once we have 90% >12 fully vaccinated, we just let them back into society where they'll catch Covid and get their immunity that way.

[Pies4shaw]

David:

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinic ... ransmissio

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... accinated/

That latter article is consistent with research I read a couple of months ago out of the UK, where they had concluded that being vaccinated makes you 40%-60% less likely to transmit.

So, in summary, people who are vaccinated are:

- about half as likely to give other people a disease that may kill them;
- about 1/10th as likely to get severe illness or die from the disease themselves; and
- on average, likely to cost the health system about 10% of the average ICU cost of $72,000 per COVID stay.

It's a direct, straight-forward and simple thing people must do for the benefit of others. It's no more a matter of personal choice than permitting children to be educated, paying tax or not parking opposite double white lines.

We've got to work out a compulsory position on this before we get a variant (or a different disease) that kills a larger proportion of people. We can't actually have numpties saying "Nah, don't wanna".

[stui magpie]

They're also much more likely to infect other unvaccinated people than they are vaccinated, and the vaccinated people are far less likely to get seriously ill let alone die.

The current cases in Victoria and NSW are largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated, so they're getting their immunity the hard way.

[Bucks5]

After this battle is lost or won, I wait with baited breath to see what will happen in 6-12 months when the effectiveness of double vax starts to wear off. Will boosters become mandatory, will restrictions and lock downs come back in or will it be something else?