Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[David]

David:

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinic ... ransmissio

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... accinated/

That latter article is consistent with research I read a couple of months ago out of the UK, where they had concluded that being vaccinated makes you 40%-60% less likely to transmit.

So, in summary, people who are vaccinated are:

- about half as likely to give other people a disease that may kill them;
- about 1/10th as likely to get severe illness or die from the disease themselves; and
- on average, likely to cost the health system about 10% of the average ICU cost of $72,000 per COVID stay.

It's a direct, straight-forward and simple thing people must do for the benefit of others. It's no more a matter of personal choice than permitting children to be educated, paying tax or not parking opposite double white lines.

We've got to work out a compulsory position on this before we get a variant (or a different disease) that kills a larger proportion of people. We can't actually have numpties saying "Nah, don't wanna".

Thanks P4S. I must admit that is a lot better than I’d assumed, given transmission rates in heavily vaccinated countries. I do still think there’s a fundamental difference between a medical procedure (however minor) and many of the other trade-offs that form part of the social contract, but I understand your view here and acknowledge it’s a compelling one.

[stui magpie]

My expectation is that Boosters will at minimum be highly recommended, like the Flu shot.

Covid isn't going away any time in the near future, it will become endemic like the Flu and people will need protection as it will still be more deadly.

As far as future lockdowns, it would be a brave or stupid government to do that again.

[eddiesmith]

Depends if Dan thinks a well timed lockdown could sway a Federal election?

[eddiesmith]

^ Maybe you'll get some grumbling if a cash incentive is brought in, but who cares? What's the worst that could happen? If the goal is maximum vaccination, then I think most reasonable people will understand why it's being done, and the rest can please themselves.

Depends, if it’s as laughable as Queensland’s efforts then it should be shit canned rather than hated. 10 bucks towards a Parma at the pub if you get vaccinated…

[stui magpie]

FWIW I put this on Facebook

I copied this from someone else. I'm fully vaccinated, but this resonates with my experiences with people who don't want to get vaccinated but can't work without it. I'm not endorsing anti vax views, just putting this forward for thought.
"The vaccinated people are scared.
They’re scared to get COVID.
They’re scared someone they love might get it and possibly die from it.
They were worried they might not get to travel again or see their international families.
They’re not ignorant or ‘sheeple’ (I loathe that term) - they feel like they’re doing the right thing for themselves and the people around them.
This may not have been an easy choice.
Unfortunately they might have felt obligated to do so.
They might have been scared they may lose their job.
They might have been scared to get the needle.
While you may not agree with them, it’s important to understand WHY these people have made their choice.
You may think they’re wrong, but I’m sure you’ve felt scared and afraid before.
It feels terrible.
We need to have compassion and empathy for people making a hard choice that’s different than yours.
The unvaccinated are scared.
They’re not inconsiderate monsters who thought “I’m going to try to screw over the rest of the people and not get my vaccine.”
They’re worried about long term side affects.
They’re worried about their immune systems.
They’re afraid of how much the government is stepping in on their personal choices, freedoms and rights.
They’re scared they might end up with Bells Palsy, myocarditis, shingles, blood clots, a miscarriage, a heart attack, heart palpitations, profuse unending vomiting, an autoimmune disease activation or death.
They’re worried they might never see their international families again.
They’re not ignorant ‘antivaxxers’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’
It would be easier to get the shot.
It would be nice to win a million dollars or get paid $100.
But they’re too scared to do so.
It isn’t easy to say no to the shot.
While you may not agree with them, it’s important to understand WHY these people have made their choice.
You may think they’re wrong, but I’m sure you’ve felt scared and afraid before.
It feels terrible.
We need to have compassion and empathy for people making a hard choice that’s different than yours.
This is NOT the time to turn on each other.
It is never the time to do that.
Stop the divide.
Come together with compassion, empathy, understanding, patience and forgiveness.
Take a moment to listen without judgement.
Take time to see where the others are coming from.
Everyone is doing their best.
Lashing out and placing blame will only make things worse.
Shaming is not the way to change someone’s mind.
Understanding why and having compassion is our only choice.
Choose kindness, always"

[Dark Beanie]

My expectation is that Boosters will at minimum be highly recommended, like the Flu shot.

Covid isn't going away any time in the near future, it will become endemic like the Flu and people will need protection as it will still be more deadly.

As far as future lockdowns, it would be a brave or stupid government to do that again.

Had a doctors appointment today.
The practice I go to is planning for patients to get boosters in 6 months from 2nd shot. My doctor made a note in file for a reminder for booster.

[stui magpie]

^
Any discussion around a second booster? My booster would be due in January meaning if it lasts 6 months I'd be at weak immunity during winter.

If second boosters aren't on the agenda, I'll delay the booster til April so I'm covered over winter.

[Dark Beanie]

No, just talked about getting a third shot.
Mine would also be due in January.

[think positive]

My expectation is that Boosters will at minimum be highly recommended, like the Flu shot.

Covid isn't going away any time in the near future, it will become endemic like the Flu and people will need protection as it will still be more deadly.

As far as future lockdowns, it would be a brave or stupid government to do that again.

yep daughters boyfriend went to her place thurday, his dad was working away and is a close contact, so he left before his dad got home! junior just got a call, she was supervising year 12 exams, as shes only had 1 shot, 14 days, 12, to go, just took her for a test! my sister the cop is on Day 5 of 7!!

so yes people aside from all those other excuses, fears, whatever, if you have had both shots its only 7 days!

stui i get what you mean in that post, but i still dont agree, most are not afraid of those health risks IMO, otherwise they would not smoke, inject weird drugs, eat hot dogs, bbq meat, drink alcohol, most of it is bullshit "your not the boss of me" childish crap!

IMO!

[stui magpie]

Look, I don't want to have a fight about it, lets just agree to disagree. I have no doubt there's a bunch of "you're not the boss of me" involved but in enforcing no jab no job at work I encountered some people who were genuinely close to having a breakdown over it. They were terrified. One was pregnant and absolutely terrified of what could happen to her baby. A couple reluctantly went through with getting vaccinated, more just chose to lose their jobs.

I just don't think it's right to collectively demonise and disparage a group of people based on a medical choice, regardless of how bad I personally think that choice is.

[ronrat]

The numpties in charge here have kept the bars and gogos shut until Jan 15 at the earliest. Another high season shot in the foot. The Thais are getting desperate and in a city that over 3000 bars an alcohol ban has not surprisingly ruined many businesses and crime is on the up. Schools and malls and everything are open, except bars and boxing. A lot of foreign owners have just thrown the keys in and walked away never to return.

[eddiesmith]

Wait, what's wrong with eating hot dogs???

But I suppose eating meat has been around for centuries and people are still alive, the Covid jab has been around less than a year so no one knows the true consequences of it, much like no one knows the true consequences of Covid itself.

[stui magpie]

I had a hot dog last Sunday at the Thomastown market. Fkn brilliant

[Pies4shaw]

I just don't think it's right to collectively demonise and disparage a group of people based on a medical choice, regardless of how bad I personally think that choice is.

They're not a "group of people". They're just a disparate bunch of idiots who happen to share one common idiocy.

[stui magpie]

That's your view, strongly guided by self interest, I disagree.