Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[think positive]

Do you remember how you felt when you were scared of getting the AZ shot?

No one belittled you, called you an idiot, a nazi, or told you to die in the street. Instead, you had people around you who acknowledged your fears but helped you to understand the risks and for you to make the decision to get it.

What if, instead, you had people around you who fed your anxieties rather than calming them? Would we be having a very different conversation?

yes i was anxious about it, but i was always going to get a needle i just wanted a choice of needle, i still feel that way, still pissed off about the way AZ was handled, and if given the choice at the time i would not have chosen it. there are plenty of people around me to feed the anxiety, i just realized who the google doctors were. i went to my GP i went to a respected nurse, 2 actually, ie i went to the medical science people, and now there are 3 choices, soon to be 4, but the antivaxxers are pushing harder. squeaky wheels!

the stats dont lie, the dead bodies piled in freezer trucks dont lie, the odds of vax side effects vs covid side effects dont lie. then there is the ridiculous notion that this is all a political plot! you cant get 2 governments to agree on the colour of a flag, the wording of a song, and they think the governments of the entire planet decided it would be a good idea to wipe the economy and a few million people off the face of the earth! its mind boggling.

then top it off with fools thinking the cops are causing the violence at these so called protests. i know a few of those fools too! im just damn over it!

[stui magpie]

I agree about the stats, I was pushing them from day one. personally I was happy t get the AZ shot as as it uses tried and true methodology, same as used in other vaccines where the MRNA ones are the new ones that had never been used in humans apart from a small number of clinical trials.

Despite my hesitance, I'll just get whatevers available as a booster.

As far as the conspiracy theories/political plot part goes, I genuinely can't understand how people can believe that all the worlds governments and media sources conspired together with no one breaking ranks, or for what purpose they supposedly did so. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

[think positive]

Cheers ain’t that the truth! I’m also not fussed what booster I get though it’s about 4 months off so I’ll wait and see which is the most effective

[David]

The vaccine culture war is playing out in dispiriting (if somewhat predictable) ways: Hanson has, of course, hopped aboard the "freedom protest" train, ensuring not only that she gains political cachet from from that crowd (many of whom are not particularly right-wing, let alone far-right), but also ensuring a solidified view among some of the left and centre/mainstream that those against mandatory vaccines are neo-nazis, etc., thus bolstering their own position.

So if this wedge benefits both groups, who suffers? Society as a whole, because anyone who supports a more nuanced approach gets frozen out. For instance, those who support mass vaccination but nonetheless feel that restrictions and punishments imposed on the unvaccinated should be proportionate and limited by certain fundamental civil liberties will probably be much less inclined to speak up now that their views basically paint them as being in the same camp as Hanson and her fascist, conspiracy-minded fellow travellers. And that's a pity, as I've heard similar views to Hanson (at least, in the basic intent of her bill, if not its unhinged language) from people ranging from an Aboriginal Greens candidate to left-leaning civil rights organisation Liberty Victoria. It's not unreasonable at all to be passionately pro-vaccination and think that people shouldn't feel coerced into getting the vaccine if they are afraid of it.

In the meantime, Jacqui Lambie (who occasionally has decent views but can be a bit of a wingnut herself) is being roundly applauded by the centre-left press for her response to Hanson's bill. Her speech is pretty reasonable, for mine, and I expect that many here will agree with it 100%, but I do think it fails to deal with some of the overreach of vaccine mandates occurring in Victoria and elsewhere:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ation-bill

[stui magpie]

NSW plans to remove restrictions on the unvaxxed once they hit 95% fully vaxxed, Andrews has stated his intent to keep them in place right through 2022.

I know which I think is reasonable

[think positive]

its really not a problem 99% of the 5% great unwashed have a fake certificate!

meanwhile not only does the poor kid fighting stage 4 non hodgkins and a smashed up lung have to have a covid booster every 2 months, she went for a paddle after her 1st time back training this morning - and got stung by a stingray! luckily the barb didnt come off in her leg, but she had a tetnus shot just to be sure!

and people are sooking over the jab! its good enough for 95%, and its a choice. how many of those 5% though are not eligible for medical reasons? i think that is an important number to consider. or are they not included?

[stui magpie]

its really not a problem 99% of the 5% great unwashed have a fake certificate!

meanwhile not only does the poor kid fighting stage 4 non hodgkins and a smashed up lung have to have a covid booster every 2 months, she went for a paddle after her 1st time back training this morning - and got stung by a stingray! luckily the barb didnt come off in her leg, but she had a tetnus shot just to be sure!

and people are sooking over the jab! its good enough for 95%, and its a choice. how many of those 5% though are not eligible for medical reasons? i think that is an important number to consider. or are they not included?

it's a good point. My understanding is they only count vaccinations, so anyone with a genuine medical exemption and those who've already had Covid wouldn't be included in the vaccination numbers but would be counted as part of the 5%

[David]

[stui magpie]

The 2021 Census data won't be released til 2022 so yes, population figures are an estimate. Lots of overseas students, backpackers and others will have left the country and almost no one has been coming in, someone may have been blending overseas arrival and departure along with births and deaths but yes, it will be an estimate.

It has been flagged that % vaccinated by postcode in Victoria at least is wrong as the population data is wrong for the above reasons plus escapees to rural & regional Vic and interstate.

The number of people with legitimate medical exemptions recognised by the AIR will be very small, but around 200k people have had Covid, a large proportion of those in recent months, and many of them will also be medically exempt at least temporarily.

So yeah, my thoughts are that once we're over 95% >12 fully vaccinated, there's no justification to continue the vaccination apartheid.

[eddiesmith]

yeah well even though shes had her first dose i got another round of these people have had severe reactions, i swear half the people in werribee hospital live in her street, and they all must be $$%^%%$ unhealthy!

what is the difference between this vaccine and the baby ones seriously? aside from the fact that right now its imperative as many people as possible get it?

the odds, you have spouted them here before, how many people worldwide? and this woman knows about 8 of them at last count! i dont know 1 person who has had anything worse than the chills or a sore arm!

the bullshit protests are out of control. there are 3 options.

I know of 2 healthy people in their 40's who died of heart problems after having the Pfizer vaccine.

Which is twice the amount of people I know that have ever had Covid.

[eddiesmith]

I heard today QLD are charging people to get a PCR test? Might explain how they keep escaping without cases, no one gets tested!!!

[stui magpie]

Nah, they were proposing to charge in some cases, travelers I think, but the Feds said No.

[Dave The Man]

I heard today QLD are charging people to get a PCR test? Might explain how they keep escaping without cases, no one gets tested!!!

They said on the News that it would cost $150 to get a Test in QLD/WA/Tassie

Agree that be Utter Stupidity as next to no one would get tested.

Do a Donald Trump and don't have tests so numbers won't go up

[David]

https://7news.com.au/politics/worry-qld ... -c-4647479

Sounds like a pretty massive own goal. Do they want to kill their own tourism industry over summer?

[stui magpie]

Fake news

People travelling into Queensland from December 17 will not have to pay $150 for a Covid-19 test, despite widespread confusion over border rules.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... 8b5ac45bc5