Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[David]

Speaking of proportionate responses, here's a clear failure:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... n-inhumane

[Pies4shaw]

^ It's probable that if we sacked the entire health bureaucracy, everything would work better.

[stui magpie]

Likely similar info.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/vict ... 59fat.html

[What'sinaname]

W, the vaccine works very well (much better, as I understand it, than any seasonal flu vaccine typically does) - what it doesn't do is entirely eliminate the risk of infection or entirely stop transmissibility from a vaccinated person to other people. It halves - or better - the risk of transmission to others but if that takes the R0 from, say, 4 to 2 (or any other number at or above 1) it won't stop the pandemic. Hence, additional measures are required - both to eliminate the whole practical risk of becoming infected and to reduce further the risk of passing on the disease. Plainly, the best way to avoid getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is to avoid getting it. Roughly put, for every 10 vaccinated people, 1 will turn out not to have been properly protected - and while it is quite acceptable for public health planning decisions to be taken on the macro level (risk of serious illness or death is reduced by 90%), that doesn't spin so well at an individual level - if you're the 1 in 10, you're still dead.

Thank you for this. It's really interesting and I ask the following question genuinely.

With the vaccine potentially masking symptoms, does it mean vaccinated people are more likely to continue to go to work, continue to socialise when feeling a little unwell, rather than the unvaxxed knowing they are sick-as-a-dog and staying at home? Does that offset the lower R number.

[stui magpie]

My 2 cents, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting Covid or spreading it. What it does do is mean you are much less likely to get seriously ill or die and it reduces the spread because a vaccinated person isn't infectious for as long as an unvaccinated person.

So using the recommended precautions, such as social distancing and wearing a mask when you can't, along with basic hand hygiene, all contribute to reducing spread.

Vaccines won't eliminate Covid but will reduce uncontrolled spread and dangerous mutations. With luck, and vaccinations, Covid will end up like the Spanish Flu from 1918 which is now known as the H1N1 variant and is included in your flu shot. One pharma company is already working on a combined annual flu/covid shot.

[Dave The Man]

My 2 cents, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting Covid or spreading it. What it does do is mean you are much less likely to get seriously ill or die and it reduces the spread because a vaccinated person isn't infectious for as long as an unvaccinated person.

So using the recommended precautions, such as social distancing and wearing a mask when you can't, along with basic hand hygiene, all contribute to reducing spread.

Vaccines won't eliminate Covid but will reduce uncontrolled spread and dangerous mutations. With luck, and vaccinations, Covid will end up like the Spanish Flu from 1918 which is now known as the H1N1 variant and is included in your flu shot. One pharma company is already working on a combined annual flu/covid shot.

Read that Possibly the Common Cold/Flu came from a Pandemic in Russia in the 19th Century

[stui magpie]

^

I think I read similar. These kind of viruses have a tendency to mutate to be more transmissible but less virulent and hang around forever.

[Dave The Man]

^

I think I read similar. These kind of viruses have a tendency to mutate to be more transmissible but less virulent and hang around forever.

So Lets Hope the Same Happens again with Covid.

So it comes Something like another Form of the Common Cold/Flu

[eddiesmith]

Stui, the politics of it doesn't interest me. The collective mania of people who cling to their own anti-vax stupidity and, consequently, risk the welfare of others is not something that sensible people should tolerate..

The point I've been trying to make is that hurling insults at the collective unvaccinated and those opposing mandatory vaccination is neither accurate nor helpful.

yes, some are outright dingbats and mouth breathing conspiracy theorists, others are just ordinary people who for various reasons have made a choice. A choice I personally disagree with, but I'd prefer to try to understand and support rather than cast vitriol down my nose at them.

Public Health Orders that segregate the unvaccinated , denying them work or social outlets, cannot be some form of punishment for their decision, it can only be justified while there remains sufficient risk to life. Once that risk diminishes enough, which it will very soon, the orders will need to be rescinded.

and yet really thats just a guess. the daily numbers are still very high, infections and deaths,

i cannot believe the mask mandate lifts next week, surely it makes sense to keep it until new years when the holiday shopping rush is over

Finally, let’s hope it does finally lift, people who want to continue to wear masks are more than free to do so. It should have lifted when it was supposed to weeks ago, if he tries delaying it again despite meeting the only objective which was no spike in hospitalisations then it will just be yet another broken promise.

[pietillidie]

Fauci tentatively hints in a more optimistic direction on Omicron:

"It's too early to be able to determine the precise severity of disease but inklings that we are getting, and we must remember these are still in the form of anecdotal ... but it appears that with the cases that are seen, we are not seeing a very severe profile of disease," Fauci said during a White House briefing.

"In fact, it might be and I underscore might be, less severe as shown by the ratio of hospitalizations per number of new cases," Fauci added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ess-severe

[stui magpie]

Potentially this could be a good thing. A more transmissible but less dangerous strain could quickly become the dominant one, taking us closer to being able to just live with it. Still requiring vaccinations of course.

[Dave The Man]

Potentially this could be a good thing. A more transmissible but less dangerous strain could quickly become the dominant one, taking us closer to being able to just live with it. Still requiring vaccinations of course.

Yeah they should be less Worried with a Weaker Strain as means less Deaths and People going to Hospitals which is the 2 Things they want to Stop

[David]

If such reports are borne out, I wonder if there'll be any push for countries with low vaccination rates to actually try to spread this strain, "chicken pox party" style.

[What'sinaname]

If such reports are borne out, I wonder if there'll be any push for countries with low vaccination rates to actually try to spread this strain, "chicken pox party" style.

not just low vac. All countries should just open up completely.

[stui magpie]

If such reports are borne out, I wonder if there'll be any push for countries with low vaccination rates to actually try to spread this strain, "chicken pox party" style.

Papua New Guinea has something like a 20% vaccination rate I read somewhere, not through lack of Vaccine as Australia and others have donated vaccines to them, but because the people get most of their world news from social media and are seriously vaccine resistant.

This applies to some other pacific countries, but not all. Countries of Contemptibles?

So far the evidence is that Omicron is very mild in fully vaccinated people, we don't have enough data yet to be sure the same applies in unvaccinated but if it is true, seeding them with Omicron positive tourists could save a lot of lives.