Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Pi]

Even if RATs were in abundance, it;'s the testing and isolation requirements that's causing supply chain issues and putting pressure on Health with thousands of people isolating and no workers to replace them.

Surely it's time to stop pretending this is under any sort of control, scrap testing and QR code checkin requirements, let people go to work unless they feel sick then stay at home til they feel better

I'm starting to think the 2020 system of track , trace and lock down is collapsing under its own weight, its no longer practical, we are spending more health personnel resources trying to track and isolate it rather than living with it and treating it, which we can do much better now with vaccinations and antiviral medications. Anyone have any data on the 2017 H3N2 v the current covid variant? The only thing we could really compare is death rates. Even then its probably too early to make any useful comparison.

[stui magpie]

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/mai ... 112017.pdf

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.ns ... ,%202017~2

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinic ... ast-12-mon

2019 flu season had less deaths but it cut a swathe though office workers. I was working in the city at the time and the number of people going down with flu symptoms was ridiculous. People would spend a week in bed, come back to the office looking like shite and a few weeks later they'd be off for a week or more again.

[Pi]

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thanks for the info; most interesting is from https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinic ... ast-12-mon

What I take away from that is what happens with the 'generic' flu in the next couple of years will be significant as in a great deal of people will now have waning natural immunity to the more common flu variants plus the now probably endemic covid (current variant or new one). So critical resources would be better spent on actual medical infrastructure and supplies rather than rigid bureaucratic data management and collection procedures.

Interesting read here, its month old but still useful.

https://media.nature.com/original/magaz ... 3619-8.pdf

[think positive]

i have no idea what the solution is, but people who think its just a bad case of the flu need to think again. i have a few friends who have been through it relatively unscathed, my 50 year old sister is fit as a fiddle, and she is now recovering after contracting it 10 days ago, shes exhausted, gets winded very easily and has tightness in her chest, exactly the same as the fit healthy 30 year old son of one of my best friends (bot the faker!!).

its so frustrating

[think positive]

Just like with the vaccines, industry/employer groups are queuing up to say their employees should be given priority access to RATs.

Latest ones are the waste collection services.

Anyway, went to the shops this morning. Not quite armageddon yet, local greengrocers had plenty of fresh fruit & vegies. Poultry shop had chicken, some cuts a bit more expensive. Woolies had fresh fruit & vegies, not the full range but not the empty shelves seen in some places. Even had Nurofen on the shelves.

Even if RATs were in abundance, it;'s the testing and isolation requirements that's causing supply chain issues and putting pressure on Health with thousands of people isolating and no workers to replace them.

Surely it's time to stop pretending this is under any sort of control, scrap testing and QR code checkin requirements, let people go to work unless they feel sick then stay at home til they feel better

woolies are good, not many restrictions, we have a brand new store in north altona, its huge, big aisles and it wasnt packed! i got everything i wanted and some

1 have 2 RAT tests here, had 3 but my daughters BF brother is a close contact so i gave them one

pretty useless though, i know at least three people who have had at least 2 negative rat tests and then tested positive to the swab test. now im wondering if my result was correct!

ill get hubby to go to work, everytime he goes to the warehouse the RAT test him!

[Jezza]

I don't think Covid is a big joke or been used to control people, it's real and it kills people.

I just think that in a highly vaccinated society like we are, stop wasting resources by making people isolate when they aren't sick. Fully vaccinated people will mostly ride through a dose of Omicron like a head cold, unvaccinated will be in ICU's.

Some evidence suggest that getting Omicron after being fully vaxxed boosts your immunity even higher than the vaccine does, so lets stop piss farting around with bureaucracy.

Well said. I think the bureaucracy is through the roof and crippling us now. TTIQ procedures either have to be eased or be rid of entirely.

If someone a year ago said we'd be 90% vaccinated and dealing with a milder variant, we would have thought that was great news but somehow the mass hysteria has ramped up further.

[Pies4shaw]

^ Along with the hospitalisations and deaths. The “hysteria” and the spread and impact of the disease are linked.

[Jezza]

^ Along with the hospitalisations and deaths. The “hysteria” and the spread and impact of the disease are linked.

Hospitalisation numbers need context. How many are hospitalised because of covid rather than through incidental testing when patients are admitted for other illnesses?

The CFR in Australia as it stands is 0.18%. That should be cause for optimism rather than despair when pre-vaccination, the figure was hovering at 2% to 3%

[Dave The Man]

I don't think Covid is a big joke or been used to control people, it's real and it kills people.

I just think that in a highly vaccinated society like we are, stop wasting resources by making people isolate when they aren't sick. Fully vaccinated people will mostly ride through a dose of Omicron like a head cold, unvaccinated will be in ICU's.

Some evidence suggest that getting Omicron after being fully vaxxed boosts your immunity even higher than the vaccine does, so lets stop piss farting around with bureaucracy.

Well said. I think the bureaucracy is through the roof and crippling us now. TTIQ procedures either have to be eased or be rid of entirely.

If someone a year ago said we'd be 90% vaccinated and dealing with a milder variant, we would have thought that was great news but somehow the mass hysteria has ramped up further.

So with the Lack of Stock at Supermarkets we should just go back to Normal and just hope People who get Covid do the Right Thing.

I honestly think it might even come to that IF things don't Improve

[Pies4shaw]

Hospitalisation numbers need context. How many are hospitalised because of covid rather than through incidental testing when patients are admitted for other illnesses?

Probably not the (pandemic high) 221 Australians who've died of COVID in the last week.

[stui magpie]

That death number is getting near the 2017 flu season

[Dave The Man]

Hospitalisation numbers need context. How many are hospitalised because of covid rather than through incidental testing when patients are admitted for other illnesses?

Probably not the (pandemic high) 221 Australians who've died of COVID in the last week.

So do we need to go back into Lockdown then to try and bring back down again?

[Pies4shaw]

From Worldometer (with, of course, a 24-hour delay), the week on week comparisons of reported COVID deaths and the week on week percentage change in deaths for the 8 jurisdictions with the most reported new cases in the last week (big effort from Australia to jump from about 135th to 8th - but, hey, "nothing to see here", apparently):

Country; this week; last week; % change

USA - 12,367 8,807 40%

France - 1,496 1,437 4%

India - 2,159 2,016 7%

Italy - 1,596 1,163 37%

UK - 1,723 1,195 44%

Spain - 671 506 33%

Argentina - 324 235 38%

Australia - 176 79 123%

The seriousness of the position in Australia is, of course, understated because of the 24-hour delay. We've had 116 deaths in the last two days.

[Dave The Man]

From Worldometer (with, of course, a 24-hour delay), the week on week comparisons of reported COVID deaths and the week on week percentage change in deaths for the 8 jurisdictions with the most reported new cases in the last week (big effort from Australia to jump from about 135th to 8th - but, hey, "nothing to see here", apparently):

Country; this week; last week; % change

USA - 12,367 8,807 40%

France - 1,496 1,437 4%

India - 2,159 2,016 7%

Italy - 1,596 1,163 37%

UK - 1,723 1,195 44%

Spain - 671 506 33%

Argentina - 324 235 38%

Australia - 176 79 123%

The seriousness of the position in Australia is, of course, understated because of the 24-hour delay. We've had 116 deaths in the last two days.

So what do we do before it Kill us all?

[What'sinaname]

Hospitalisation numbers need context. How many are hospitalised because of covid rather than through incidental testing when patients are admitted for other illnesses?

Probably not the (pandemic high) 221 Australians who've died of COVID in the last week.

So do we need to go back into Lockdown then to try and bring back down again?

Lockdowns don't work. Look at the Netherlands