Post Match. Pies down to Lions. All comments, please.

[Usurper]

Well I’m home from the game safely
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Great summary, feel the same way about just about everything you said.

Really interesting to hear Swannies take on Steele, thanks for sharing.

[dalyc]

Any new injuries from last night

Cameron - broken rib
Cox - Completely broken - lost his football abilities
Adams - leg and / or neuron injury - lost his ability to kick a football

Adams never could kick a football. Blatant butcher. Must be traded.

[piffdog]

I’m not sure our forward lines woes are as bad as what everyone thinks.
There wouldn’t be to many teams averaging over ninety points a game ( we’ve also played two strong teams in those five games to date )
The game plan to hit the scoreboard is working extremely well and of course it would be even better when the quality of the individuals improves accordingly.
One of our biggest problems is that we are simply leaking to many scores.
Individually, the back six is quite strong but the issue lies with a game plan that sees them required to move the ball so quickly from defence, they are out of position on any rebounds The goals scored against us are far too easy and far too often. Successful transition is all about perfect balance of offence and defence and we haven’t found that yet. Kicking ninety points a game will win you most games … unless of course you’re inclined to concede even more.

I’m not too bearish here. We haven’t had our best 6 line up down back yet this year and we have premiership-quality coaching pulling the levers. I think they will get it together.

[piffdog]

There will be a thread for ANZAC day soon enough but that game will be a truer test and if we are indeed on the improve one we just have to win. Even though we had our chances to win both, I didn’t tip us to beat Cats or Lions. Losing to Eagles was bad but we’ll get a couple weeks now against middling competition who we should beat if we are on the up and up as some in the media are generous enough to claim. Legitimate chance to win every game between now and Queens birthday which would have us at 9-3 which would be outrageous and I know won’t happen but the point is if the Cats and Lions are top 4ish, then to challenge them as we have should give us a better than average chance against teams ranked lower than that.

There you all go - that’s todays glass half full view!!

[jatsad]

Well I’m home from the game safely be it 449am shhhh don’t tell Mrs Qld she won’t be happy
I went today expecting a loss. We are 4 games into a new game style with 21 players aged 21 or under on our list
We are trying to develop and educate a lot on the run which isn’t a perfect way
I said in the warm up we looked really good and relaxed and we started that way
Our effort can’t be denied the guys tried there back sides off all night
Our issue still remains we lack players who can execute there skills consistently
From Sidey shank out of bounds to Pendles errant handball to Adams hacking kicks forward to open team mates
A few things hit me seeing us live for the first time this year
1. The hype around Nick D is real he is a talent. He finds time when there is none and mostly makes good decisions
2. Roughhead was way under done he will be better for the run
3. Playing so many talls didn’t work. We would have been better served playing a Noble as a small pressure forward or persisting with Henry
4. Cox can’t play anymore. I like the guy but he dropped at least 3 soda’s last night
5. Magden gets a lot of flack and some times it’s deserved but gee he has a crack and offers effort on effort on effort
6. We lack composure to much and it’s by experienced players more so than rookies
7. Krueger is one to keep faith in. He has something about him
8. We need to rethink who plays inside and who plays outside. Too many times last night we had Adams with the last kick going inside 50 he needs to be on the bottom of the pack giving it to Pendles or someone else
9.:If Grundy has any morals he will tear his own contract up and play for free the remainder of the year. We actually looked more competitive as a team when he was on the bench. It’s the same old story when he’s getting clearances we are losing. He lacks so many facets to his game. Often his opponent drifts forward and impacts play. He doesn’t hurt them the other way. He would be worst big man mark in the game
10. Howe is a general and earned his pay cheque twice over last night
11. Pendles is just being Pendles again
12. I think in time we will see more benefits from the IQ to Nick D to Josh D to a leading forward to goal scenarios. That’s the future
13. Our forwards lead to pockets not straight at a team mate to often
14. My mate I went with commented we are momentum killers. When we have it we find a way to kill it off ourselves without much effort from the opposition. In term one we were a 4 goal better side yet went in only 2 goals up.
15. McInnes is one to watch he presents well and gets into dangerous places
16. Moore seems to be struggling with the new style we are playing in defence. Leppa needs to sit him down and unlock what he was doing this time last year
17. Move Maynard into the middle. His left boot would be better suited booming it forward from forward of centre than out of defence. He would be more suited to a tagging role than Pendles
18. Josh D is doing so many good things he needs to realise at times he has more time than he thinks and lower his eyes a little
19. WHE doesn’t offer anywhere near enough to justify a spot most weeks
20. JDG is a mid who goes forward to kick goals stick with that. Seeing him standing in the goal square on a centre bounce with his hands on hip when we are losing the centre battle makes no sense

Finally the elephant in the room Sidey
Look I’ve never rated him as highly as many but have always respected his efforts and durability
Some mightn’t know there was a couple of high profile former magpies in the crowd last night watching. One Nathan Buckley. We could see bucks from our seats and he seemed heavily invested still in what was going on. The other was Dane Swan who was gracious enough to give us 15 minutes of his time post match. We quizzed him on the young guys and he was upbeat saying there’s plenty to work with. He’s a huge wrap for both Daicos boys purely on the dedication to training. I asked him straight out what’s up with Sidey his reply was He’s Cooked
I’ve been reading the match day comments and those here and many see it the same way.
I’m not for dropping him it really won’t fix what’s wrong with his game. He way to slow to play the style we want to play. He isn’t impacting our performance in a positive manner (take away his last pass to Moore with a couple seconds to go what else did he do last night) he runs between the arcs basically clicking over his gps that’s it. He had McCluggage Lyons Ah Chee and Berry all spend time with him last night and all impacted the game while playing in him. He wasn’t being used as a tagger far from it the ball bounced and they run off him and he couldn’t respond.
We have 2 choices as I see it
Firstly he plays solely and totally as a small forward where he is still smart enough to contribute to the team with a goal, a couple assists and some direction for the young players
Or secondly
time for a tap on the shoulder and say mate it’s time announce it now play a fair well game on Anzac Day on the MCG we are moving on without you
Dropping him to the VFL to finish his career isnt right he deserves better than that

Well we have a good break until Anzac Day now let’s hope we spend that time honing our kicking skills both in front of goal and in general play

Completly agree with your thoughts on Sidey. Been banging on about it for years now, he could be our best small forward, even at this age. He is very smart around goals and could be our version of Luke Breust. He is far too slow to be playing midfield.

[think positive]

We’re not far off, have faith

True,that.Put a real full forward in the side who can actually mark the ball and kick straight,instead of Cox/Cameron,who constantly drop the ball,then we would almost certainly be undefeated at this point.We aren’t that far off at all,just need to address our biggest weaknesses up forward.

Bang bang bang bang bang that’s me for the last 10 trading periods!

Ever since we let Cloke go!

[think positive]

We’re not far off, have faith

True,that.Put a real full forward in the side who can actually mark the ball and kick straight,instead of Cox/Cameron,who constantly drop the ball,then we would almost certainly be undefeated at this point.We aren’t that far off at all,just need to address our biggest weaknesses up forward.

Bang bang bang bang bang that’s me for the last 10 trading periods!

Ever since we let Cloke go!

[think positive]

Well I’m home from the game safely be it 449am shhhh don’t tell Mrs Qld she won’t be happy
I went today expecting a loss. We are 4 games into a new game style with 21 players aged 21 or under on our list
We are trying to develop and educate a lot on the run which isn’t a perfect way
I said in the warm up we looked really good and relaxed and we started that way
Our effort can’t be denied the guys tried there back sides off all night
Our issue still remains we lack players who can execute there skills consistently
From Sidey shank out of bounds to Pendles errant handball to Adams hacking kicks forward to open team mates
A few things hit me seeing us live for the first time this year
1. The hype around Nick D is real he is a talent. He finds time when there is none and mostly makes good decisions
2. Roughhead was way under done he will be better for the run
3. Playing so many talls didn’t work. We would have been better served playing a Noble as a small pressure forward or persisting with Henry
4. Cox can’t play anymore. I like the guy but he dropped at least 3 soda’s last night
5. Magden gets a lot of flack and some times it’s deserved but gee he has a crack and offers effort on effort on effort
6. We lack composure to much and it’s by experienced players more so than rookies
7. Krueger is one to keep faith in. He has something about him
8. We need to rethink who plays inside and who plays outside. Too many times last night we had Adams with the last kick going inside 50 he needs to be on the bottom of the pack giving it to Pendles or someone else
9.:If Grundy has any morals he will tear his own contract up and play for free the remainder of the year. We actually looked more competitive as a team when he was on the bench. It’s the same old story when he’s getting clearances we are losing. He lacks so many facets to his game. Often his opponent drifts forward and impacts play. He doesn’t hurt them the other way. He would be worst big man mark in the game
10. Howe is a general and earned his pay cheque twice over last night
11. Pendles is just being Pendles again
12. I think in time we will see more benefits from the IQ to Nick D to Josh D to a leading forward to goal scenarios. That’s the future
13. Our forwards lead to pockets not straight at a team mate to often
14. My mate I went with commented we are momentum killers. When we have it we find a way to kill it off ourselves without much effort from the opposition. In term one we were a 4 goal better side yet went in only 2 goals up.
15. McInnes is one to watch he presents well and gets into dangerous places
16. Moore seems to be struggling with the new style we are playing in defence. Leppa needs to sit him down and unlock what he was doing this time last year
17. Move Maynard into the middle. His left boot would be better suited booming it forward from forward of centre than out of defence. He would be more suited to a tagging role than Pendles
18. Josh D is doing so many good things he needs to realise at times he has more time than he thinks and lower his eyes a little
19. WHE doesn’t offer anywhere near enough to justify a spot most weeks
20. JDG is a mid who goes forward to kick goals stick with that. Seeing him standing in the goal square on a centre bounce with his hands on hip when we are losing the centre battle makes no sense

Finally the elephant in the room Sidey
Look I’ve never rated him as highly as many but have always respected his efforts and durability
Some mightn’t know there was a couple of high profile former magpies in the crowd last night watching. One Nathan Buckley. We could see bucks from our seats and he seemed heavily invested still in what was going on. The other was Dane Swan who was gracious enough to give us 15 minutes of his time post match. We quizzed him on the young guys and he was upbeat saying there’s plenty to work with. He’s a huge wrap for both Daicos boys purely on the dedication to training. I asked him straight out what’s up with Sidey his reply was He’s Cooked
I’ve been reading the match day comments and those here and many see it the same way.
I’m not for dropping him it really won’t fix what’s wrong with his game. He way to slow to play the style we want to play. He isn’t impacting our performance in a positive manner (take away his last pass to Moore with a couple seconds to go what else did he do last night) he runs between the arcs basically clicking over his gps that’s it. He had McCluggage Lyons Ah Chee and Berry all spend time with him last night and all impacted the game while playing in him. He wasn’t being used as a tagger far from it the ball bounced and they run off him and he couldn’t respond.
We have 2 choices as I see it
Firstly he plays solely and totally as a small forward where he is still smart enough to contribute to the team with a goal, a couple assists and some direction for the young players
Or secondly
time for a tap on the shoulder and say mate it’s time announce it now play a fair well game on Anzac Day on the MCG we are moving on without you
Dropping him to the VFL to finish his career isnt right he deserves better than that

Well we have a good break until Anzac Day now let’s hope we spend that time honing our kicking skills both in front of goal and in general play

Completly agree with your thoughts on Sidey. Been banging on about it for years now, he could be our best small forward, even at this age. He is very smart around goals and could be our version of Luke Breust. He is far too slow to be playing midfield.

Pretty good assessment, as I think Rudey has said, Sidey has earned a shot as a small forward. Yes he’s getting on, his best may be gone, but I still rate him. 2 things he did last night standout for me as real leadership moments, checking on Krueger, and then when all hell broke loose he stayed with Josh to calm him for goal, as others in the game thread noted.

He still has so much to offer even if he’s not getting 30 touches a game.

This is a bunch of kids and oldies who have only just lost 3 games against supposedly better, clearly more experienced teams, eventually they will hold on, I can’t wait for the party!

[think positive]

Jordan De Goey 2022 ??

Has anyone noticed a more calm and determined way of playing this year

He showed in every game he has played this year the ability to shrug off tackles then break free and create opportunities

Just hope he has realised his potential based on hard work as it makes him a better option for us

More like the penny finally dropped and he’s realised he’s got to work for a living, to payoff his lawyer, fines, and if he wants a good contract. I don’t really care provided he gets his act together. All is not yet forgiven, but he’s certainly trying, I’ll give him that.

Reminds me of Faz, the show pony, who after an injury suddenly realised what he had to lose. Loved the guy.

[Pies2016]

I’m not sure our forward lines woes are as bad as what everyone thinks.
There wouldn’t be to many teams averaging over ninety points a game ( we’ve also played two strong teams in those five games to date )
The game plan to hit the scoreboard is working extremely well and of course it would be even better when the quality of the individuals improves accordingly.
One of our biggest problems is that we are simply leaking to many scores.
Individually, the back six is quite strong but the issue lies with a game plan that sees them required to move the ball so quickly from defence, they are out of position on any rebounds The goals scored against us are far too easy and far too often. Successful transition is all about perfect balance of offence and defence and we haven’t found that yet. Kicking ninety points a game will win you most games … unless of course you’re inclined to concede even more.

I’m not too bearish here. We haven’t had our best 6 line up down back yet this year and we have premiership-quality coaching pulling the levers. I think they will get it together.

There’s definite improvement in the defence but I guess I’m asking the question as to whether the improvement lies in the individuals or in the game plan. We have both Pendles and N Daicos back there to add more class to our back six than we’ve ever had and yet we continue to cough up big scores.
Conversely, we go with with a patched up forward line and still manage 90 points against good opposition. Clearly the system in the front half of the paddock is working, despite all the criticism,.
Hopefully the improvement comes from back six individually rather than a tweaking of the game plan because the moment we make adjusts to it, it’s likely our scoring potential would also drop away to an extent.

[Piesnchess]

For me, that splendid effort was nearly as good as a win minus most of our forward line,, we had a red hot go, and had the Lions shitting bricks up on their own pissing ground, where they are at least a four goal better side. Im very relaxed an comfortable, we are a work in progress, with a lot too look forward too.

[Mossi]

I'm ready to be shot down on this. We almost scored another ton on Thursday! Against a pretty good side that gave us no discounts and was very physical in the process. Like most of you i thought we were going to get rolled by at least 5 goals with the lions cruising after half time! Didn't happen even with an extra tall forward line! I was wrapped to see Krueger at it he is that tough player we have been screaming out for! He is also fast and plays "small" when the ball hits the ground. We did score most of our goals from broken play and not ideally from good delivery. Cox had a horror night marking the pill but always took the lions best tall defender plus another when the pill come in. What I'm saying that he is a tall dude and the opposition have to have a plan from him. Maybe he is important structurally to the side. As good as checkers is he doesn't have the height and presents That Cox offers. Checkers is a must when he is fit. But maybe we need a Cox or Cameron there!Until we develop that key MARKING forward we need .

[What'sinaname]

I'm ready to be shot down on this. We almost scored another ton on Thursday! Against a pretty good side that gave us no discounts and was very physical in the process. Like most of you i thought we were going to get rolled by at least 5 goals with the lions cruising after half time! Didn't happen even with an extra tall forward line! I was wrapped to see Krueger at it he is that tough player we have been screaming out for! He is also fast and plays "small" when the ball hits the ground. We did score most of our goals from broken play and not ideally from good delivery. Cox had a horror night marking the pill but always took the lions best tall defender plus another when the pill come in. What I'm saying that he is a tall dude and the opposition have to have a plan from him. Maybe he is important structurally to the side. As good as checkers is he doesn't have the height and presents That Cox offers. Checkers is a must when he is fit. But maybe we need a Cox or Cameron there!Until we develop that key MARKING forward we need .

Mossi has had his account hacked by masoncox.

[magpieazza]

It has to be Cameron Kelly Begg or McMahon before Cox.

[23 YIPPEE!!!]

Ill delist cox and adams mid season