Post Match. Pies v. Giants. All comments, please.

[schuey07]

Impressive performance, which wasn't reflected on the scoreboard. The last time we won a match despite scoring less goals than our opponent was against West Coast away from home back in 2019.

One thing I'm loving under McRae is our ability to be composed and win the close ones, which is something we always lacked under Buckley too often. We've won 4 games by a margin of two goals or less, so those wins are proving valuable in our quest for finals football.

Outstanding performance by Darcy Cameron. One of our most improved players this year with his marking, ability to read the play and his handy work in the ruck and up forward. Very well deserved contract extension.

We turned back time with impressive performances from our experienced players in the form of Sidebottom, Hoskin-Elliott, Maynard, Elliott and Pendlebury.

Amazing to think we've won 5 consecutive games. After last year's poor season culminating in a total of 6 wins, our improvement has been magnificent.

Gold Coast next week is a tough assignment. Going to be a great test for the playing group.

It’s an interstate game, so we should do ok.

[Cam]

Sigh. Umpires don’t cheat. They get them wrong for sure. No umpire has ever thought, “hey let’s get the other team back into it purely with one sided calls”.
100 m penalty was correct. Deliberate for mine was correct on the replay but you don’t always see them called.
I talk some crap in the game thread due to my views on when I get positive, but this one is for calm reflection. Surely no one actually thinks the umpires cheat?

I invented a rumour, that I heartily yelled from Q34, that they had the Giants in their multi. You just never know these days.

[Jezza]

It’s an interstate game, so we should do ok.

True. Our interstate record has been better than the league average for the past two decades.

[Cam]

J Daicos goal kicking has slipped of late, needs to put the practise back in.

[JC Hartley]

In their first game back after the bye, Collingwood overcame goalkicking inaccuracy and a resurgent opponent to vanquish GWS by 11 points. The Magpies had a strong finish to quarter time where they hit back on the scoreboard, after conceding territory, scores and momentum in the opening 15 minutes, which were very sloppy and uninspiring. The second term saw the Woods keep the Giants scoreless while adding scoreboard pressure in drabs as conversion issues began to emerge. The third quarter saw those issues continue as the Pies were unable to build a substantial lead that would've put the contest beyond doubt, while the Giants pegged back the margin to remain in touch at the final change. The final term saw the Giants take complete control of the game, until Collingwood scored two goals to restore momentum that they had lost. That was until the Giants came again with a flurry of goals that put Collingwood under pressure. The Magpies were able to hold firm without kicking any more goals to kill the clock wherever possible and create enough time in forward half to ice the game in unconvincing fashion. Today's victory breaks a losing streak against the Giants which had been in place since 2018. It was also just Collingwood's second victory against GWS since 2016.

Collingwood won their statistical categories from contested possessions by +13 (137 - 124), intercept possessions had a differential of +17 (79 - 62), hit-outs were won by +35 (47 - 12), clearances were up by +9 ( 37 - 28 ), with centre clearances claimed by +3 (13 - 10), and +6 for stoppage clearances ( 24 - 18 ), Tackles Inside 50 had an advantage of +9 (12 - 3), while Marks Inside 50 were won by +1 (11 - 10), and Inside 50s were up by +12 (62 - 50). GWS won their categories from sources such as disposals by +9 (367 - 358), +5 for kicks (229 - 224), handballs had an advantage of +4 (138 - 134), while uncontested possessions were won by +16 (224 - 208), and tackles were up by +7 (56 - 49). Marks went in favour of the Giants by +3 (100 - 97), with uncontested marks also won by +3 (90 - 87). Contested marks was the only statistical category (10 each) that was in dispute between the two sides.

Steele Sidebottom (26 disposals @ 69%, 471 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 4 tackles, 8 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had a mixed bag with his possessions, where he was exposed for his turnovers, but ensured he set up as many involvements in scoring chains. Sidebottom was on course for 40 disposals when he had 20 at half time, before time and effort by the Giants was put in to curtail his impact.

Taylor Adams (24 disposals @ 58%, 289 metres gained, 15 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 12 handballs, 5 marks, 4 tackles, 7 score involvements, 6 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) stood up for long enough underneath the packs to win the contested ball and won his fair share of clearances. Adams also contributed to the team's ability to create numerous scoring shots.

Josh Daicos (23 disposals @ 74%, 553 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 17 kicks, 6 handballs, 6 marks, 11 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) contributed significantly in the second half in everything, except finishing off his work. Josh had 3 shots at goal in a quarter and couldn't maximise any significant scoreboard damage. To Josh's credit, he did not let those behinds define his game, and kept producing territory, while contributing enormously to the team ball movement and scoring forays.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (23 disposals @ 83%, 426 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 7 handballs, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) spent a significant amount of time on the wing with stints up forward, and produced excellent ball use to maintain possession and create chances for his forwards to mark or kick goals.

Scott Pendlebury (19 disposals @ 90%, 223 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 10 tackles, 1 goal assist, 10 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 centre clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) played in the midfield for the whole duration of the contest, where he won centre clearances at crucial times, laid heaps of tackles to neutralise any dominance from the opposition, and ensured he found a target with each possession he won around the ground.

Jack Crisp (19 disposals @ 63%, 382 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) found it harder to win uncontested possessions, but kept chipping away in the clinches to pump the ball forward at all costs.

Darcy Cameron (17 disposals @ 59%, 182 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 23 hit-outs, 12 kicks, 5 handballs, 8 marks, 3 contested marks, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 5 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances & 2 goals) continued his impressive form as Collingwood's main ruckman where he gave his midfield first-use as often as possible, took crucial marks up forward and behind the ball, and followed up his own work in the ruck to clear the ball from stoppages.

Nick Daicos (25 disposals @ 80%, 118 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 16 handballs, 2 marks and 6 score involvements) relied heavily on handpassing the ball out of defence instead of kicking it out of the defensive arc under pressure. When Nick pushed higher up the ground, that was when he chose to kick the ball forward or maintain possession.

Brayden Maynard (22 disposals @ 86%, 526 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 5 handballs, 9 marks, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 6 Rebound 50s) was at his resolute best in defence for Collingwood today. Maynard marked everything with confidence and generated significant rebound to protect any exposure that the Giants were likely to cause on the scoreboard. Maynard ensured the Giants did not have a field day.

John Noble (20 disposals @ 90%, 347 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 7 handballs, 7 marks, 5 score involvements, 2 clearances, 5 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) created plenty of run and carry off the last line of defence once again, and his ball use coming out of there was exceptionally good. Noble is highly proven at maintaining possession under pressure and has the speed to break lines when the team needs fast and continual ball movement from defence.

Darcy Moore (16 disposals @ 75%, 210 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) was able to intercept possessions at will and provide enough stability behind the ball.

Isaac Quaynor (13 disposals @ 46%, 205 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 5 handballs, 7 marks, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) relied heavily on intercept marking behind the play, as he was not able to zone off and create attacking play, plus his ball use was wayward, when it is normally at a high level of efficiency.

Jeremy Howe (10 disposals @ 70%, 308 metres gained, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) prioritised his task of rebounding with penetration and giving the team more time to defend behind the ball.

Patrick Lipinski (21 disposals @ 57%, 321 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 13 kicks, 8 handballs, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 6 clearances, 5 stoppage clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) started quarters up forward with stints in the midfield during those quarters. Lipinski looked to maximise his impact from fewer possessions and was largely effective in producing scoring chains and forward entries. Lipinski was also able to win clearances at stoppages.

Jack Ginnivan (18 disposals @ 67%, 253 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 9 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) accumulated plenty of his possessions up the ground and looked to create further scoring opportunities for himself and the team. Ginnivan has been largely inaccurate of late, so I'd like him to rediscover the damage he created on ANZAC Day in the coming weeks.

Jamie Elliott (14 disposals @ 50%, 252 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 5 uncontested possessions, 9 kicks, 5 handballs, 4 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 8 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) got the team going with two critical goals to stabilise momentum for the team, when it looked like getting awry during that opening term.

Brody Mihocek (11 disposals @ 64%, 237 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) provided a marking target at all times for his teammates and impacted the scoreboard with two goals in the first half.

Beau McCreery (10 disposals @ 50%, 104 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 6 kicks, 4 handballs, 7 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) achieved his objectives by applying pressure without the ball, laying effective tackles up forward and around the ground, and chiming in with a major at the right time.

Oliver Henry (6 disposals @ 50%, 128 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 3 marks, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) came to the party in the second half to convert both of his goals to ensure his impact on the game did not go unnoticed.

Collingwood's next game will be against Gold Coast on July 2 at Metricon Stadium. This match will be hot and intense. The Suns are playing some excellent footy of late and will be a challenging proposition for the Magpies. The Woods need to fix their goalkicking accuracy promptly to avoid any prospect of defeat. Achieve that outcome, and Collingwood will be victorious.

[Charlie Oneeye]

I'd rather build than collect a list of problems and missed KPI's.

Let's find values.


In the 'recent' past, we seemed to always come up against a week when we had something to prove.

Now it seems we are fair dinkum, and I expect to win



Allan Jeans: 'In Every Game There is Going to Be a Crossroad' -
Regardless of all the theories and the strategies and all this. All it is is basically this. The ability to win the ball under pressure, select the right option, and execute it correctly.

Leigh Mathews

Craig McRae

I know there are others here who understand.




Go Pies !
AnotherCognac

[the fuzz]

A great win against a bogey team. Was tense in the last, but we held on.
5 in a row!
We could be equal top. Should have beaten the Cats and Eagles and got close to Brisbane. Who would have thought? We're travelling pretty well.

Glad to get the win for Maynard!!! He had a very good game.
Go Pies!

[bally12]

Holy moly that no.13 umpire took the game by the scruff of the neck in the last and just about pulled GWS over the line from the clouds.This after earlier in the match he had decided to change the 30sec rule for Sidey when he was lining up for goal from the goal line. Rules for the rest of the AFL clubs but different rules for Collingwood. His explanation? He deemed that Sidey was "wasting time", and that "it's the instruction we have been given". He then told Sidey he was "taking the mickey". No mate, that's why it's written as a rule. The rule states you are allowed 30secs by which time you need to start your run up. It doesn't say "unless the umpire deems you are wasting time or taking the mickey". Outrageous.

[3rd degree]

Great to beat these pr%cks I don't care how. Bull Maynard take a bow. Wrapped to here Cameron has signed on . The Skipper yet again was superb. McCreery embarrasing Callum Ward was great.

[bally12]

Make no mistake Jordy DeGoey is our prime mover, and usually involved in most of our scoring chains. To get the win without Jordy was a great effort.
Maynard, WHE, Cameron, Pendles, our best. Also loved the tackling by McCreery...he's a tackling machine.
Defensively we look very organised, and the players seem to have a good understanding of when to go, and when to hold back. We are looking like a well coached side.

I'd like to see Nicky D flatten out his kicking by moving the ball out to the side more and using this hips to come through and add power. At the moment his kicking is a bit up and under, with too much air time. Otherwise, the kid's a star.

On this last point, anyone else notice the modern players not using (or not having) an opposite side? They get caught on the their wrong side and they always opt for the inside-out kick on their dominant side instead of naturally kicking on the side they are on. Certainly not the natural footballers of past eras.

[Jezza]

Fly's presser

A few heart murmurs at the end?

"Yeah, it would be nice to win a game and put the feet up on the bench, but it's not our story at the moment. I just said to the players that I'm really proud of their ability to galvanise themselves this week, support those who have been under fire if you like and come out and execute. For three quarters of the game, we were proud of our efforts".

What does a week like that do to the players? Is it a big distraction?

"You get pulled. I think your attention gets pulled away from what you need to do. I think that's reality. I can speak for myself and that's how I felt my week's been. I think our ability to get to work this week, and I've said it before we were really well prepared to play. We trained as good as we had and then it's just a matter of going out and execute and again for most parts of the game I thought we did that".

The game could have been over by 3QT, but you couldn't put enough pressure on the scoreboard.

"Yeah, 22 points. Some of those were rushed. Modern footy, if you don't execute you give the opposition hope and today we gave the opposition hope. We just need to get better. We're winning games with so much upside and growth in us and improvement in what we need to do. It's a massive part of the game isn't it, goal kicking.

Steele Sidebottom was excellent leading from the front and to have one of your real leaders stand up especially after a distracting week.

"Yeah, he played his 278th game and makes him 4th all time in the Collingwood games played. We acknowledged that just before the game. He's come a long way. We showed some highlights of him kicking 10 goals in a TAC Cup Grand Final as a young lad and now he's still going well at whatever age he is. We're really proud of him".

What did you make of the decision to call play on when Steele Sidebottom was lining up in the goal square from a 50m penalty?

"I spoke to Steele and he said that the umpire has the discretion to call play on if he thinks the player is time wasting. Maybe I'm to blame for that because I educate or we encourage our players to take every bit of that 30 seconds on offer to us. Until they change the rules, that's what we're going to do. For moments like the last quarter, there's 30 seconds less that we have to worry about to defend or for the opposition to score. We've been learning that lesson right back from when we lost games early in the year, the Geelong one in particular where we weren't taking our 30 seconds which gave more time on the clock for the opposition. Apparently that's a rule".

The Darcy Moore rush behind decision has created a lot of discussion. What's your interpretation of that and what do you teach the players?

"I can't put myself in the umpire's shoes to ask him why that decision was made. From what I saw, he kicked it off his boot accidentally and touched it on the goal line. Rightly or wrongly, it's a decision made. We can't control it, it's done so move on. Whether it's an error, who knows, I'm not sure".

How impressed are you with Darcy Cameron and what are you going to do with the ruck when Brodie Grundy is available?

"We're excited to announce that he's [Darcy Cameron] signed a new contract. I think it's 3 years and he deserves every bit of that. He's really stepped up when Brodie has been out. Marking the ball really well wasn't he. Not many guys were marking the ball in the air like he was today. Futuristically, we don't know, it's too early to tell. I said this two weeks ago that I'm just hoping when Brodie is available we don't have to stress about a decision to make but that's getting closer to being made and what it looks like. I think Mase [Mason Cox] is still playing well. Going back to Darcy, we're rapt with how he's playing".

When is Brodie Grundy expected to return?

"I think he's back in about 4-5 weeks so still a bit of time".

Brayden Maynard's 150th game and he looked on early and did a great job restricting Toby Greene to just one goal. Can you speak about how important he is inside the walls.

"Yeah, we celebrated his 150th game yesterday at the club. We had his Mum and Dad in and actually we had all the Dads in so that was pretty cool. Our welfare team organised it about a month ago. To have all the Dads sit in the team meetings was really special. On Bruzzy, his competitive nature is something we feed off and his contest was brilliant again today. I thought it was one of his best games of the year. I think he's certainly a part of our DNA that we thrive off".

Have you spoken to Jordan De Goey since the press conference on Friday and are you expecting him to be at training tomorrow?

"Yeah, I spoke to him a couple of times and hopefully I get to speak to him tomorrow. Based on the conversations I had, I think there's some movement in terms of feeling better. I don't know what that equates to yet. There's definitely a slight shift on his mood and hopefully I catch up with him at some stage and see where that takes us".

Is JDG happy with how the club has handled the situation? Is he angry and upset?

"I'm not sure. I'll dig deeper when I get a chance to really sit down with him. Look, we want Jordy back. He makes us better. At the right time".

Could JDG return next week?

"Potentially. Again, I'm hoping so. We hope he can get himself in a place where he's comfortable to step in and be a professional footballer again. We're hoping that's as early as next week but time will tell".

First time since 2019 you've won 5 consecutive games and you are 7th. In your wildest dreams, could you imagine the first season being as good as it has been under your tutelage?

"It's been a big week to be honest. I'm looking forward to going home and put my feet up [laughs*]. I'm learning on the job. What have I done, 14 games. Leppa says he's going to give me a banner for my 50th door stop. It's been that kind of year. I'm loving what I'm doing and loving the support I have around me. I hope our fans are loving what we're putting on the field as well".

Did Vossy end up taking you out for dinner?

"No, he still hasn't answered my call, Vossy. We're due".

At any point, do you dare to dream about finals?

"I don't really know how to answer that. Leigh [Matthews] came in on Friday and spoke to the group. My whole life with Leigh, we won a lot of games but he didn't mention winning once and he didn't talk about outcomes very often at all and I'm that guy. I'm a process guy and we just keep doing what we're doing and the outcome will be what it will be. That's within our control. This is a tough competition. GWS today, you don't even need to look at their magnets to know this as good a team as they picked in a long time. There's no easy games in this competition and we've just got to be ready to take what the next step is and for us that's the Gold Coast next week".

What were the conversations when you took over. Were you taking over a side that was rebuilding and was it about patience. Is the rebuild done or is it a mini rebuild?

"You're always building. I think you're consistently building. We lose Jordy and we get a debutant. That's our story and we've done that all year. Guys get an opportunity. Our list, we know where it's at. We're playing good footy at the moment, we're gelling and playing good system. I think we're always growing and always building in my eyes".

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[thesoretoothsayer]

Finally, Jack Ginnivan. That was a fine game from him today. He is just a little dynamo, an amazing Jack in the box, and an incredible thorn in the side of the opposition....GWS players were constantly grinding him into the turf, such was their exasperation. But then, even as Ling commented, he never complained: just jumped right back out of the box and got involved in the next play. He is an absolute gem as well.

Ginni's ability to absorb the punishment dealt out to him and just get on with the game was great.
The media portray him as a show pony but he's a team player.

Also, a shout out to Toby Greene for the knees into the back of Murphy after Murph took an intercept mark. I wish Greene had played in the "good old days" so we could've watched someone like Tuddenham take his head off.

[Clifton Hill-Billy]

If umpires paid the second fifty for dissent why didn't they do that every time Ginnivan got a free, because GWS players mouthed off every time that happened? Their players constantly got in the protected area, no 50. Not giving Sidey his full 30 seconds on goal, when we finally did get a 50. The Moore howler, he always gets bullcrap frees paid against him, way more than any other kpd I can think of. The list of blatant one sided umpiring goes on and on. Anyway glad we won in the end, but would have been much more enjoyable if we had kicked straight and built some percentage. Imagine where we'd be sitting on the ladder if we'd beaten wet toast and the handbaggers? WHE and Cameron were great all day. Sidey had a good first half but reverted to 2021 dinky mode in the wet which resulted in many of their late goals.

[BazBoy]

[duggieboy]

As Fly basically says, (and yes I've got some kind of a man crush on the guy; what a fine human being) we're a work in progress.

I'm thinking of the way we were in control for 3 quarters and yet still let them get close at the end, due to not having been more professional in finishing off with goals instead of points.

We seem to get in front by a bit, but still not really able to kill the games off by extending our leads. With such domination yesterday we really should have put it out of sight. As Fly says, if you leave the other side some hope, that's all it needs at this level.

Still, no complaints here - would never have dreamed we'd be in this position if you'd asked me at the beginning of the season. It's only because we've been winning, that you can have the conversation about HOW we're winning.

Now for the so called "softer" part of our draw.