Our draft record under Derek Hine et al
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- Piesnchess
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Do we all owe Hine an apology now. ??
I assume Hine is still with us ? If he is, and i admit, I had doubts bout him, and boy, did he used to cop some flak on here, lets be honest bout that ! But, i reckon, hes totally redeemed himself, lately. Lets face it, if he was largely responsible for getting the likes of Henry, Ginnivan, Johnson, Carmichael, young Daicos, McCreery, Murphy, Bianco, Lipinski, Jetta, and some others i may have missed, surely we owe him thanks for that ? This crop of youngsters has totally transformed the team, freshened us right up with youth, an kids have enthusiasm, they give the older more senior players, a big lift in hope and confidence. They are the main reason we have had an astounding season so far, beyond all expectations, an are now aiming to go deep into September. Plus of course, Fly has been absolutely marvellous.
So, do we now collectively apologise, too Derek ? Oh, and special mention too Graham Wright, hes been great too.
So, do we now collectively apologise, too Derek ? Oh, and special mention too Graham Wright, hes been great too.
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burnsy17 wrote:A few hits and a few misses.
He wasted some high picks on duds. Who was the guy with the helmet? McLSomething?
Nick Daicos….. Stevie Wonder could have picked him. He was father / son.
Jetta? Let me know when he’s on our list and eligible for a game!
He is, a indigenous kid named Jetta is in our VFL team, I watched him two wks ago.
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That "indigenous kid" is Neville Jetta, the veteran and retired Demon, who has a VFL playing/coaching role with us. I can assure you he is not on our AFL list.Piesnchess wrote:burnsy17 wrote:A few hits and a few misses.
He wasted some high picks on duds. Who was the guy with the helmet? McLSomething?
Nick Daicos….. Stevie Wonder could have picked him. He was father / son.
Jetta? Let me know when he’s on our list and eligible for a game!
He is, a indigenous kid named Jetta is in our VFL team, I watched him two wks ago.
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Stop being pedantic burnsy! He is on a Collingwood list of players who play for the club seconds in case you had simply forgotten that. Not sure if a long term injury to a senior player can see him being able to replace him or not. I have a gut feeling that he can’t for some procedural reason but stand to be corrected. If eligible, he could still be more than handy in an emergency call up I reckon.burnsy17 wrote:He’s not on our list….
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy “Unceasing Waves” like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm
Lazza, I love your enthusiasm, but Neville Jetta is a retired AFL player from the Dees. He is only eligible to play in the VFL, where he is part of our coaching group. He is simply not eligible to play AFL.....not for us nor for anyone else.lazzadesilva wrote:Stop being pedantic burnsy! He is on a Collingwood list of players who play for the club seconds in case you had simply forgotten that. Not sure if a long term injury to a senior player can see him being able to replace him or not. I have a gut feeling that he can’t for some procedural reason but stand to be corrected. If eligible, he could still be more than handy in an emergency call up I reckon.burnsy17 wrote:He’s not on our list….
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RudeBoy wrote:Lazza, I love your enthusiasm, but Neville Jetta is a retired AFL player from the Dees. He is only eligible to play in the VFL, where he is part of our coaching group. He is simply not eligible to play AFL.....not for us nor for anyone else.lazzadesilva wrote:Stop being pedantic burnsy! He is on a Collingwood list of players who play for the club seconds in case you had simply forgotten that. Not sure if a long term injury to a senior player can see him being able to replace him or not. I have a gut feeling that he can’t for some procedural reason but stand to be corrected. If eligible, he could still be more than handy in an emergency call up I reckon.burnsy17 wrote:He’s not on our list….
well, that clears that up, i thought he was a kid related to the Melb Jetta, like, there are bout 40 Riolis arent there, i thought it was like that, my bad, but a simple mistake.
Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb.
Jetta came to Collingwood on the back of an AFL initiative where former indigenous players who take up a role with any clubs development or coaching depts, don’t have their wages included as part of that clubs soft cap ( also includes women ) Jetta appears really engaged helping out the young blokes in the VFL and he still looks a cut above the rest with ball in hand. Ex players like Betts and Burgoyne have also taken on these roles with other clubs and it’s giving the ( wealthier ) clubs the opportunity to add extra development resources without impacting the cap. It’s also presenting former players with additional opportunities for life after footy. Win, win.
Back on topic, there seems to be this urban myth surrounding Hine that he is also responsible for every dud recycled player we have added onto the list over the last ten years. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hine has close to zero input when it comes to the club making a decision on trading in any mature age players who have already been in the system for a number of years. Hine is a talent spotter, not a conformation of talent already identified spotter. Hine watches and reviews kids or lesser comps around the country, he’s not employed to watch games of AFL.
The only time Hine is involved in any player trades is when our club establishes we can get player X for draft pick # Y. The club would go to Hine and say what are leaving behind on the draft table if we were to give up this pick as part of a trade. Hine gives his input and that’s where it ends.
There are always outliers, players like Darcy Cameron, Lipinski and sadly, Sam Murray would have been scouted by Hines team despite being on an AFL list simply because they spent most of their early careers in either the VFL or NEAFL
Personally, I think he’s been pretty reasonable over the journey. He’s had his share of misses, they all have but he stacks up pretty well against most.
Back on topic, there seems to be this urban myth surrounding Hine that he is also responsible for every dud recycled player we have added onto the list over the last ten years. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hine has close to zero input when it comes to the club making a decision on trading in any mature age players who have already been in the system for a number of years. Hine is a talent spotter, not a conformation of talent already identified spotter. Hine watches and reviews kids or lesser comps around the country, he’s not employed to watch games of AFL.
The only time Hine is involved in any player trades is when our club establishes we can get player X for draft pick # Y. The club would go to Hine and say what are leaving behind on the draft table if we were to give up this pick as part of a trade. Hine gives his input and that’s where it ends.
There are always outliers, players like Darcy Cameron, Lipinski and sadly, Sam Murray would have been scouted by Hines team despite being on an AFL list simply because they spent most of their early careers in either the VFL or NEAFL
Personally, I think he’s been pretty reasonable over the journey. He’s had his share of misses, they all have but he stacks up pretty well against most.
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Ok many thanks for that RB. So when poster “5.11 pm” says that Jetta is on the “break glass in an emergency” supplementary list, is that only for the VFL team?RudeBoy wrote:Lazza, I love your enthusiasm, but Neville Jetta is a retired AFL player from the Dees. He is only eligible to play in the VFL, where he is part of our coaching group. He is simply not eligible to play AFL.....not for us nor for anyone else.lazzadesilva wrote:Stop being pedantic burnsy! He is on a Collingwood list of players who play for the club seconds in case you had simply forgotten that. Not sure if a long term injury to a senior player can see him being able to replace him or not. I have a gut feeling that he can’t for some procedural reason but stand to be corrected. If eligible, he could still be more than handy in an emergency call up I reckon.burnsy17 wrote:He’s not on our list….
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy “Unceasing Waves” like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm