Trade Targets ~ Free Agency & MSD player discussion

[RudeBoy]

[quote="lazzadesilva"]If Taranto is supposed to be such a gun, why aren’t other clubs lining up to get him as well? Doesn’t make sense as Collingwood is never given such a clear run at a player under normal circumstances

[Ronnie McKeowns boots]

A poster has suggested Henry may be on the outer, with interest from cats; what could we realistically get for him, and how might it help get a KPD or KPF?

[Pies2016]

[quote="lazzadesilva"]If Taranto is supposed to be such a gun, why aren’t other clubs lining up to get him as well? Doesn’t make sense as Collingwood is never given such a clear run at a player under normal circumstances

[Pies2016]

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[5:11pm]

A poster has suggested Henry may be on the outer, with interest from cats; what could we realistically get for him, and how might it help get a KPD or KPF?

Wasn’t suggesting he was trade bait, simply that the club wants to see him do more when he doesn’t have the ball.

Long term the Cats definitely see him playing alongside his brother.

[gobbles21]

[quote="lazzadesilva"]If Taranto is supposed to be such a gun, why aren’t other clubs lining up to get him as well? Doesn’t make sense as Collingwood is never given such a clear run at a player under normal circumstances

[mattdally]

Taranto is a gun. No doubt about it. Winning a B&F in your clubs best season on record is no fluke.

Who wins the clearances in this scenario:
1. Cameron, Adams, Taranto, DeGoey
2. Grundy, Adams, Taranto, Lipinski

Interesting times ahead.
Both are viable alternatives - long term we could gain a lot more by trading Grundy over DeGoey.

If DeGoey leaves and we bring in Taranto and one of Bruhn / Hill then we've also done very well.

[swoop42]

If you've been pleasantly surprised with the performance of Cameron this year, love the potential of young Henry, are already a fan of what Johnson might offer and hell let's not forget Krueger where does McStay fit in relation to them all?

If our intention presently is for McStay to remain as a forward option I worry that he might stymie the opportunity for some talented prospects next season or potentially worse be overtaken by any of them and become a very expensive addition to our VFL side.

As it stands now an elite young talent in Henry can't get a game with Mihocek out and McStay still playing with Brisbane, while where Johnson will be left next year with the availability of McStay and Kreuger is anyone's guess.

Then of course you still have to factor in that we're presently favouring a ruck setup with 2 players of actual legitimate ruck size and that combination hasn't even included our best ruck in Grundy for most of the season. If he is retained then who knows if he can expand his game over summer and offer more as a forward target in 2023.

While I can understand the rationale of wanting to add an experienced KPP like McStay given the still speculative value of some of the above, you feel unearthing another key defensive option is of more urgency for our list than someone who until this point hasn't been a high production forward.

So can McStay be that player or will we send Kreuger back to defence just 12 months after we drafted him with the intention of playing him up forward?

Right now McStay the forward option seems like the cream on top when the bottom of our cake still hasn't finished baking.

Let's hope he doesn't turn sour while we wait.

[Big T]

Maybe Howe is on his last legs and McStay will be recruited for the backline.

[Clifton Hill-Billy]

Watched McStay against the tuggers, wasn't impressed with him as a forward tbh. If De Goey goes, which hopefully doesn't happen, then we need to go after a gun midfielder to do something about our centre clearances. No point having KPF or KPDs if you constantly lose the main game in the middle

[mattdally]

McStay isn't being courted by us as a forward.
He will play backline.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

If you've been pleasantly surprised with the performance of Cameron this year, love the potential of young Henry, are already a fan of what Johnson might offer and hell let's not forget Krueger where does McStay fit in relation to them all?

If our intention presently is for McStay to remain as a forward option I worry that he might stymie the opportunity for some talented prospects next season or potentially worse be overtaken by any of them and become a very expensive addition to our VFL side.

As it stands now an elite young talent in Henry can't get a game with Mihocek out and McStay still playing with Brisbane, while where Johnson will be left next year with the availability of McStay and Kreuger is anyone's guess.

Then of course you still have to factor in that we're presently favouring a ruck setup with 2 players of actual legitimate ruck size and that combination hasn't even included our best ruck in Grundy for most of the season. If he is retained then who knows if he can expand his game over summer and offer more as a forward target in 2023.

While I can understand the rationale of wanting to add an experienced KPP like McStay given the still speculative value of some of the above, you feel unearthing another key defensive option is of more urgency for our list than someone who until this point hasn't been a high production forward.

So can McStay be that player or will we send Kreuger back to defence just 12 months after we drafted him with the intention of playing him up forward?

Right now McStay the forward option seems like the cream on top when the bottom of our cake still hasn't finished baking.

Let's hope he doesn't turn sour while we wait.

The ideal is two tall forwards, two tall backs and two rucks (or one ruck who can cover as a tall forward) and then you build up the mediums and smalls around your spine. We only won a premiership in 2010 after getting Reid and Brown down back, Cloke and Dawes down forward, a pure ruck in Jolly and Leigh Brown as the tough man who could relieve Jolly and play down down in the forward line. Nothing has changed in the last twelve years. The only thing that has changed is the way you move the ball. Mihocek is a lockdown as one of the key forwards. Moore is a lockdown for one of the key backs. Murphy and Johnson can carry out supporting roles in the spine of the field, but realistically to hold down one of those positions you need someone of strength and height who can split packs and Johnson and Murphy can't do that. That why McStay is a natural fit into our best team. Leigh Brown didn't kick a lot of goals and neither does McStay, but what McStay does is fills a vital role within the team structure.

[Mr Miyagi]

In before the “let’s coax Josh Kennedy out of retirement” posts start

[Take_a_Screamer]

... but realistically to hold down one of those positions you need someone of strength and height who can split packs and Johnson and Murphy can't do that. That why McStay is a natural fit into our best team. Leigh Brown didn't kick a lot of goals and neither does McStay, but what McStay does is fills a vital role within the team structure.

In other words, bring the ball down, right?
We got Cox who can do that.

[stui magpie]

^

And Cameron, both of whom are better forwards than McStay