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piffdog wrote: Maybe I'm a hypocrite - or perhaps this was always going to happen (gets back playing good footy and we forget about the scandals...)? We want our players to be good at footy first, and then try to become better people[/i],second right?
I’m conflicted. The bad boy behaviour with getting into fights is something that happens where testosterone kicks in, but sexual harassment is never ever acceptable. So however good you are at footy, respecting women is far more important.
However being a mere male, I’ll leave it for the female members of the committee and club to make that decision.
wrong
im pretty forgiving at first, but when the behaviour continues.... not to mention lack of effort, thats why i said after this weeks game he earned a bit of respect back, he really really looked like he cared
and for whatever its worth, i think he will stay
He didn’t lose any respect from most Collingwood supporters.
Makes more sense to lose all respect for afl media than JDG.
Did nothing wrong. Ask the girl he was with for proof.
That's right - he couldn't lose that which he never had. Good footballer, when he turns up. But respect him? Nah. Respect is for the ones who work their backsides off, week in and week out, preseason to season and season to preseason. The guys who turn up and do their best (whatever that is) consistently.
[quote="Pies4shaw"]That's right - he couldn't lose that which he never had. Good footballer, when he turns up. But respect him? Nah. Respect is for the ones who work their backsides off, week in and week out, preseason to season and season to preseason. The guys who turn up and do their best (whatever that is) consistently.[/quote
How can respect/ not respect someone who do not know?
You only know JDG the footballer. Not JDG the person.
I bet you respect our coach. So if he says he wants JDG to stay, well that would be good enough for me.
Pies4shaw wrote:That's right - he couldn't lose that which he never had. Good footballer, when he turns up. But respect him? Nah. Respect is for the ones who work their backsides off, week in and week out, preseason to season and season to preseason. The guys who turn up and do their best (whatever that is) consistently.[/quote
How can respect/ not respect someone who do not know?
You only know JDG the footballer. Not JDG the person.
I bet you respect our coach. So if he says he wants JDG to stay, well that would be good enough for me.
Respect? I love him as a player. I don't know what he's like as a person. Certainly, he seems prone to some excessive socialising which can/often lead to a bit of strife. However, despite the histrionics voiced by the media and some of my fellow Nicksters, I think he has been grossly unfairly targeted and criticised for not much more than being a bit of a lad. I just hope that he realises, he would be better off staying off the piss when he's out having a good time. He would not be Robinson Crusoe there either.
Some will no doubt disagree, but given our forward options of Mihocek, Johnson, Elliott, Ginnivan, McCreery, Krueger and possibly McStay, I wonder if there's a spot for the emerging Henry? Footy can be a cruel business, and to be successful, sometimes hard and unpopular decisions are required. Perhaps then, particularly if Henry wants to join his brother at the Cats, we might look at trading him to the Cats and using whatever picks we get for him as part of a deal to get Taranto. I think Henry could become a star, but I also think that Johnson offers even more, making Henry perhaps surplus to our current requirements. Taranto would significantly strengthen our side. Just a thought.
How can respect/ not respect someone who do not know?
You only know JDG the footballer. Not JDG the person. .
This is the question that always bewilders me. How complete strangers can sit in righteous judgement of others they personally don't know just annoys the bejeezus out of me.
How can respect/ not respect someone who do not know?
You only know JDG the footballer. Not JDG the person. .
This is the question that always bewilders me. How complete strangers can sit in righteous judgement of others they personally don't know just annoys the bejeezus out of me.
Oh please spare me
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy “Unceasing Waves” like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm
Totally correct, people make judgements all the time, based on their personal biases and situation.
Doesn't make them correct, but they're as valid to them as any other opinion.
Exactly right. The issue was regarding strangers making judgments, not that they were right. I have been present when Judges and magistrates have made awful Court decisions about strangers that were never right. IMO in some instances, a few of them let their power get to their heads which had trouble fitting in through the doors. But the majority of them were excellent.
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy “Unceasing Waves” like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm
I posted elsewhere the club has opened the talk again
McRae wants him to stay badly and is heavily invested in JDG the person not just the footballer and has made it clear to the board and Wright he wants him end of story
Maynard has is spending more and more time with him away from football lessening the influence his dickhead mates (who aren’t professional footballers) have over him
My understanding is McRae made a pitch to the board on the benefits of a stable environment for JDG and reminded the board he isnt the only player to ever make off field mistakes and turn there life around and not only become better footballers but better humans
JDG has met his obligations with regards to seeking extra help away from the club
The leadership group have been huge in taking time out to call or text him during his time away with injury and also checking in on his personal life offering a ear or advice as needed
He’s a regular at Maynard’s for dinner
I’ll give you all this tip
Watch the post match scenes in the room closely
See the interaction with JDG and the kids belonging to Pendles Howe Sidey Crisp
Does this look like a guy approaching a child for the first time or a player who has spent time with these players and there families and become familiar with the kids ?
The only speed hump to over come is as follows
The board
If they want to micro manage how the media would possibly react if we re signed JDG
The consensus is if he leaves the media would say a fresh environment would be ideal for him
If he stays the media will say Collingwood have endorsed his poor behaviour with a new contract
IMO we should say
JDG is staying and we will continue to support him while he grows into the man we know he can be and has the full support of the board coaching staff and the entire playing group
Always respect your posts Qld and your information is gold.
Dealing with the media hacks is always a lose - lose situation and I’m certain that McRae, Wrighty and others know how to deal with such situations. I would hope that the club never ever conducts itself in order to please these fools who are a disgrace to their journalistic profession. Imagine ever listening to crap advice from Bendigo pub lover Slobbo or Caro
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy “Unceasing Waves” like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm
I may have missed the discussion, but the most obvious mark of wisdom, as defined by some combination of intelligence, learning, experience and awareness of self and others, by a country mile, is holding one's tongue in the light of insufficient information. Sometimes, that involves waiting for more information to come to light, while at other times it involves deferring to respected people with better information, and still other times doing the research yourself or just shutting up.
Sure, we don't have time to construct a thesis for every inconsequential thing in life, and a lot of the time we are merely 'talking through' or decompressing or making light conversation rather than seriously judging anyone (I am guessing that's where Lazza and Stui are coming from).
But as soon as something matters, whether it be social wellbeing, group wellbeing or just the wellbeing of one person, we have a responsibility to challenge our impulses and justify our views. For a while there it looked like society was finally leaving the violent impulses of Medieval mobs behind; sadly, the internet has brought them back with a vengeance through the menace of 'opinion'.
