Yeah, well done Ptiddy, the fact that shit still happens anywhere is very poor but withe the amount of cultural diversity you have in London (at least as I understand it) it's even more shocking.
Echoing David, I'd also be interest to know how you handled it without getting your head kicked in.
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People who fly the Australian flag incorrectly.
If you're going to have a flagpole and fly the Aussie flag, do it properly!
There was a government directive to fly the Australian Flag at half mast during daylight hours in recognition of the Bali bombing victims on the 12th of October. Nearly every flag I saw flying was at full mast.
Flying the flag at half-mast
Flags are flown at half-mast as a sign of mourning.
The half-mast position will depend on the size of the flag and the length of the flagpole. The flag must be lowered to a position recognisably half-mast to avoid the appearance of a flag which has accidentally fallen away from the top of the flagpole. An acceptable position would be when the top of the flag is a third of the distance down from the top of the flagpole.
There are times when direction will be given by the Australian Government for all flags to be flown at half-mast and you can receive email notifications when this happens by registering for the Commonwealth Flag Network.
Flags in any locality can be flown at half-mast on the death of a local citizen or on the day, or part of the day of their funeral.
When lowering the flag from a half-mast position it should be briefly raised to the peak and then lowered ceremoniously.
A flag should not be flown at half-mast at night, whether or not the flag is illuminated, unless direction to half-mast the flag for an extended period of time has been issued.
FLYING THE FLAG
Raise the flag briskly and lower it ceremoniously.
Do not raise the flag earlier than first light or lower the flag later than dusk.
When the flag is raised or lowered or is carried in a parade or review, everyone present should be silent and face the flag and people in uniform should salute.
The flag should always be flown freely and as close as possible to the top of the flagpole with the rope tightly secured.
The Australian National Flag should be raised first and lowered last, unless all other flags at the ceremony are raised and lowered simultaneously.
When the Australian National Flag is flown with flags of other nations, all flags should be the same size and flown on flagpoles of the same height.
Do not fly two flags from the same flagpole. Unless they're both Collingwood flags.
Only fly the flag at night when it is illuminated.
Do not fly the flag if it is damaged, faded or dilapidated.
When the material of a flag deteriorates it may either be placed in a permanent place of storage or should be destroyed privately and in a dignified way such as cutting it into small unrecognisable pieces, placing it in an appropriate sealed bag or closed container and then putting it in the normal rubbish collection.
Do not fly the flag upside down, even as a signal of distress.
Do not allow the flag to fall or lie on the ground or be used as a cover (although it can be used to cover a coffin at a funeral).
If you're going to have a flagpole and fly the Aussie flag, do it properly!
There was a government directive to fly the Australian Flag at half mast during daylight hours in recognition of the Bali bombing victims on the 12th of October. Nearly every flag I saw flying was at full mast.
Flying the flag at half-mast
Flags are flown at half-mast as a sign of mourning.
The half-mast position will depend on the size of the flag and the length of the flagpole. The flag must be lowered to a position recognisably half-mast to avoid the appearance of a flag which has accidentally fallen away from the top of the flagpole. An acceptable position would be when the top of the flag is a third of the distance down from the top of the flagpole.
There are times when direction will be given by the Australian Government for all flags to be flown at half-mast and you can receive email notifications when this happens by registering for the Commonwealth Flag Network.
Flags in any locality can be flown at half-mast on the death of a local citizen or on the day, or part of the day of their funeral.
When lowering the flag from a half-mast position it should be briefly raised to the peak and then lowered ceremoniously.
A flag should not be flown at half-mast at night, whether or not the flag is illuminated, unless direction to half-mast the flag for an extended period of time has been issued.
FLYING THE FLAG
Raise the flag briskly and lower it ceremoniously.
Do not raise the flag earlier than first light or lower the flag later than dusk.
When the flag is raised or lowered or is carried in a parade or review, everyone present should be silent and face the flag and people in uniform should salute.
The flag should always be flown freely and as close as possible to the top of the flagpole with the rope tightly secured.
The Australian National Flag should be raised first and lowered last, unless all other flags at the ceremony are raised and lowered simultaneously.
When the Australian National Flag is flown with flags of other nations, all flags should be the same size and flown on flagpoles of the same height.
Do not fly two flags from the same flagpole. Unless they're both Collingwood flags.
Only fly the flag at night when it is illuminated.
Do not fly the flag if it is damaged, faded or dilapidated.
When the material of a flag deteriorates it may either be placed in a permanent place of storage or should be destroyed privately and in a dignified way such as cutting it into small unrecognisable pieces, placing it in an appropriate sealed bag or closed container and then putting it in the normal rubbish collection.
Do not fly the flag upside down, even as a signal of distress.
Do not allow the flag to fall or lie on the ground or be used as a cover (although it can be used to cover a coffin at a funeral).
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All seems a bit anal to me, tbh. I understand this stuff is important to some people, but I can't imagine there are many of them out there.
Anyway, will try to restrain myself from posting the Bill Hicks clip.
Anyway, will try to restrain myself from posting the Bill Hicks clip.
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Over the top? How so?
Do - Fly a good quality/condition flag. Always do.
- Either illuminate it at night or take it down. I have a solar light atop the pole.
- Fly it at half mast as directed (register for the email notifications) or for other personal reasons of relevance. Never at night. Have registered for notifications.
- Dispose of old/damaged flags in a dignified way. Very easy to do.
Don't - Let it fall or lay on the ground.
- Fly it upside down.
- Fly a damaged/faded flag.
Pretty simple really. If it's too hard to follow the simple flag protocol, don't fly the flag.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/government/austr ... -protocols
Do - Fly a good quality/condition flag. Always do.
- Either illuminate it at night or take it down. I have a solar light atop the pole.
- Fly it at half mast as directed (register for the email notifications) or for other personal reasons of relevance. Never at night. Have registered for notifications.
- Dispose of old/damaged flags in a dignified way. Very easy to do.
Don't - Let it fall or lay on the ground.
- Fly it upside down.
- Fly a damaged/faded flag.
Pretty simple really. If it's too hard to follow the simple flag protocol, don't fly the flag.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/government/austr ... -protocols
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Yep , respect is never analSkids wrote:Over the top? How so?
Do - Fly a good quality/condition flag. Always do.
- Either illuminate it at night or take it down. I have a solar light atop the pole.
- Fly it at half mast as directed (register for the email notifications) or for other personal reasons of relevance. Never at night. Have registered for notifications.
- Dispose of old/damaged flags in a dignified way. Very easy to do.
Don't - Let it fall or lay on the ground.
- Fly it upside down.
- Fly a damaged/faded flag.
Pretty simple really. If it's too hard to follow the simple flag protocol, don't fly the flag.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/government/austr ... -protocols
It’s not hard to get right either mostly common sense
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It's exactly the right word.David wrote:Who are we respecting here? I don't feel that's quite the right word.
That's probably the gist of my original post on the matter. If people don't understand the significance of flying the flag correctly, why erect a flag pole and fly a faded torn old flag incorrectly... just don't fly one.
I am a flag junkie. I have dozens of different flags. I fly the stars and stripes on the 4th of July & at half mast on September 11. I fly the Irish flag on St Patricks Day, I fly the English flag on St George day etc. I mainly fly; Aussie flag, WA flag & one of my many Collingwood flags.
Australian National Flag Rights and Significance
Every Australian Citizen has the right and privilege of flying or displaying the Australian National Flag, our flag of “STARS AND CROSSES”, with dignity and respect in accord with the rules of flag etiquette and protocol.
The Australian National Flag is Australia’s chief national symbol by law, custom and tradition, belonging equally to all Australian citizens. Usage of our flag is shared with Government though, unlike the National Coat of Arms, the Australian National Flag is owned by the people exclusively, under law, through the Commonwealth Flags Act.
The Australian National Flag should be treated with dignity and respect at all times as it identifies and represents our people and the Commonwealth of Australia both at home and overseas.
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Some people do take it really seriously though.
Years ago at the Hospital I worked at, they had the Australian, Aboriginal and Torres St Islander flags all flying together, 3 separate flag poles all the same height as required.
Some clown came in with his nose right out of joint because the Aboriginal Flag was in the middle and he said that was disrespectful. We had to find and show him those guidelines Skids linked to that says in this case, the Australian flag should be on the left, which it was. He still wasn't happy so we told him to take it up with Canberra.
Years ago at the Hospital I worked at, they had the Australian, Aboriginal and Torres St Islander flags all flying together, 3 separate flag poles all the same height as required.
Some clown came in with his nose right out of joint because the Aboriginal Flag was in the middle and he said that was disrespectful. We had to find and show him those guidelines Skids linked to that says in this case, the Australian flag should be on the left, which it was. He still wasn't happy so we told him to take it up with Canberra.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.