Gun laws in USA??

[David]

It seems like the shooter was a biological female who identified (sometimes) as male and had mental health issues, yet was able to legally buy the guns they used. It seems he/she decided to commit suicide by Cop and targeted the school they attended as a child.

The only people who should have handguns are law enforcement, some security and the armed services. Ditto for Semi-Auto rifles but including professional shooters.

Interesting, seems like some of the initial reporting was way off. Though honestly, how anyone could be focusing on the shooter's gender when these crimes already happen with such regularity is beyond me. Fox News et al must be happy for any possible distraction from the elephant in the room.

[What'sinaname]

Why? the only reason you wouldn't report on the fact that the shooter was transgender was if you were so biased that you didn't want to report on anything negative about trans gender.

[The Prototype]

There was an article submitted that had the gender percentage of the school shooters when also mentioning this person being trans. I did notice some people in the trans group I am in was very worried about the possible fallout from the revelation but surely people will just see this was just someone that had problems and ended up doing something really bad.

[think positive]

It seems like the shooter was a biological female who identified (sometimes) as male and had mental health issues, yet was able to legally buy the guns they used. It seems he/she decided to commit suicide by Cop and targeted the school they attended as a child.

The only people who should have handguns are law enforcement, some security and the armed services. Ditto for Semi-Auto rifles but including professional shooters.

Agree,the rest us just deflection

[David]

Why? the only reason you wouldn't report on the fact that the shooter was transgender was if you were so biased that you didn't want to report on anything negative about trans gender.

I’m sure you know full well that I’m not saying journalists shouldn’t report that the killer is transgender. I used the word "focusing" for a reason.

https://www.newsweek.com/rights-fixatio ... on-1790968

[stui magpie]

I wasn't aware that it had been a focus, none of the articles I read that referred to them being Trans did any more than mention it in context.

Originally the shooter was named as a She, then one of the Police mentioned she was trans but gave no further info. It seemed that when a friend provided copies of messages that they'd recieved immediately before the shooting to Police that it became clear.

From my perspective, I raised it as it was an anomoly. Mass shooters are overwhelmingly male, so having a female shooter is different, even more so when you add in the Trans element.

No one should be trying to make out that this incident somehow reflects on Trans people in general, anymore than people should be labelling all men as potential killers because most mass shooters are men, and if anyone does try, no one with an IQ over 40 should buy into it.

[think positive]

I wasn't aware that it had been a focus, none of the articles I read that referred to them being Trans did any more than mention it in context.

Originally the shooter was named as a She, then one of the Police mentioned she was trans but gave no further info. It seemed that when a friend provided copies of messages that they'd received immediately before the shooting to Police that it became clear.

From my perspective, I raised it as it was an anomoly. Mass shooters are overwhelmingly male, so having a female shooter is different, even more so when you add in the Trans element.

No one should be trying to make out that this incident somehow reflects on Trans people in general, anymore than people should be labelling all men as potential killers because most mass shooters are men, and if anyone does try, no one with an IQ over 40 should buy into it.

only David is!!!

the report I saw said "She refers to herself as He on occasion",

also, school shooters are overwhelmingly WHITE males,

and i know a fair few white males, only 1 or 2 could be potential mass murderers!

the US system needs to work out why this is so, and also, why they think thoughts and prayers work better than gun control.


as for picking and choosing a word or description, its getting fricken hard, i was discussing with junior the other day "the suspect is um, not white, not thin, not tall, doesnt have hair, and identifies as they.

labels labels labels, what the **** id the world coming to.

[LaurieHolden]

I'd like to think we're closer to Consitutional legislative change than being further away. But does the recent Roe vs Wade overturn by the US Supreme Court may well establish a precedent of sorts for US States to Veto any Federal initiative to amend the Second Amendment?
I'm far from an expert in these areas, so hopefully a more erudite poster can expand on this in due course.

The more recent attempt to move towards restriction was the “Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act”, which set in place that Federal background checks be required for the purchasing of firearms within the United States.
Various iterations of the Brady Bill were discussed and rejected by Congress between 1987 and 1993, when it finally became law.
The Brady Act has since been amended that private transfers of firearms must be conducted through a Federal Firearms Licensee. I'm not altogether sure how easy it is to become a Federal Firearms Licensee.
The NRA then funded lawsuits in 9 States that sought to strike down the Brady Act as unconstitutional.
These cases wound their way through the courts, eventually leading the U.S. Supreme Court to review the Brady Act in the case of Printz v. United States. In Printz, the NRA argued that the Brady Act was unconstitutional because its provisions requiring local law enforcement officers to conduct background checks was a violation of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Han ... ention_Act

Barack Obama lamented that the US Federal Government is essentially powerless to make guns safer. That’s because guns are treated differently than almost every other consumer product. Obama noted that automobile regulations such as seat belts and airbags have reduced traffic fatalities, and that even toys and aspirin bottles are subject to safety standards. “The notion that we would not apply the same basic principles to gun ownership as we do to everything else that we own,” he said, “that contradicts what we do to try to create a better life for Americans in every other area of our lives.”

Still, history has flashpoints. The White House introduced a car safety bill in 1966 and President Lyndon Johnson called for an end to “the slaughter on our highways.”
Eventually, the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act was passed unanimously by the U.S. Congress, and on September 9, 1966, President Johnson signed it into law.
For the first time in U.S. history the automobile industry was subject to unified standards through federal oversight of automobile safety, and cars began to include head rests, energy-absorbing steering wheels, shatter-resistant windshields, and safety belts. Thanks to these changes, and other road safety innovations, motor-vehicle-related death rates had begun to recede by 1970.

Nader, Ribicoff, and others immediately pushed for better protection through an even stronger law. Maybe the Brady Bill still will evolve further and we'll see similar consumer led safety initiatives introduced.
The gun, however is not covered under consumer safety standards. But we still have to put labels on food packaging so consumers don't end up as a inclusions to the annual Darwin award submissions.

[stui magpie]

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I think the horse has bolted. If they somehow manage to restrict semi automatic rifles, that will make F all difference, even if they restrict magazine capacity on lever action and pump action weapons.

There's so many fkn guns in the population, any banning and gun buyback would literally mean that only the criminals had them. Self defence laws in many states that allow a home owner to shoot a burgler then check the body to see if they were armed would just ensure that most home invaders ARE armed, so keeping a weapon for self defence, usually a handgun which can fit in a handbag, is extremely common.

My take on US Political System is that it was purpose designed to limit the power of the President and of Congress, create a constant tension, to ensure that there would never be a despot in charge. The end result is that practically nothing uniform gets done of any meaning.

[think positive]

^

I think the horse has bolted. If they somehow manage to restrict semi automatic rifles, that will make F all difference, even if they restrict magazine capacity on lever action and pump action weapons.

There's so many fkn guns in the population, any banning and gun buyback would literally mean that only the criminals had them. Self defence laws in many states that allow a home owner to shoot a burgler then check the body to see if they were armed would just ensure that most home invaders ARE armed, so keeping a weapon for self defence, usually a handgun which can fit in a handbag, is extremely common.

My take on US Political System is that it was purpose designed to limit the power of the President and of Congress, create a constant tension, to ensure that there would never be a despot in charge. The end result is that practically nothing uniform gets done of any meaning.

sadly i agree.

any change will just result in a BLM style all out anarchy.

WTF i googled to see if there are any smart county's or states and got this!!

https://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/28/ ... /21439364/

and a few more scary stats

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... s-by-state

shocked that new york is so low on the per capita scale.

not shocked about the southern red neck states.
also shocked illinois (home of Chicago for those who dont know) is mid range.

[stui magpie]

Interesting data.

Texas is one of the most lenient states, Nevada one of the strictest, yet Nevada has a much higher rate of gun deaths than Texas.

I never felt unsafe in Nevada, just a bit more cautious in Texas, which is an open carry state.

[think positive]

Interesting data.

Texas is one of the most lenient states, Nevada one of the strictest, yet Nevada has a much higher rate of gun deaths than Texas.

I never felt unsafe in Nevada, just a bit more cautious in Texas, which is an open carry state.

Yes I was surprised how moderate Texas is, probably because they realise even little Joey is packin!

But then vegas is in Nevada!

I’ll have to Google mass shootings in Texas.

[think positive]

Interesting data.

Texas is one of the most lenient states, Nevada one of the strictest, yet Nevada has a much higher rate of gun deaths than Texas.

I never felt unsafe in Nevada, just a bit more cautious in Texas, which is an open carry state.

Yes I was surprised how moderate Texas is, probably because they realise even little Joey is packin!

But then vegas is in Nevada!

I’ll have to Google mass shootings in Texas.

[think positive]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... s_in_Texas

Hmm even Waco can’t compare with the vegas shooter, 22 vs 58.

[stui magpie]

Yeah, one lone dimwit doesn't make an unsafe place. You feel safe in Vegas, walking the streets at 2am with a drink. Cops are invisible but casino security are everywhere.