Sky News Bashing NDIS

[think positive]

Well I agree with that.

[watt price tully]

Well it almost makes up for the thousands out of pocket we were for hubbies experimental cancer treatment, which wasn’t covered, but saved his life so he could continue to work ridiculous hours and pay huge tax bills that benefit people who need it and also people who choose not to work as hard as him, Cheers

As I said, I am really happy that the hearing aid worked for you, and equally happy that the experimental cancer drugs have worked for hubby.

Your post even acknowledged that the NDIS isn't run like you would a household budget. It's bloated, inefficient and perpetuates over servicing.

Rather than finding additional funding for it, perhaps effort should be put into making it efficient and value for money. Rather than money going needlessly to occupational therapists and providing expensive gear that you don't actually need. And I bet all this stuff is top dollar as they know the NDIS will just sign a blank cheque to pay whatever.

That’s because of the way they are funding it. I deal with them daily as my wife did with her hoarding business when she was doing it. Public money transfer into private hands. However even with efficiencies like you’re indicating it won’t be sustainable. Salaried professionals will help. Not for profit NGO’s etc.

[stui magpie]

Yes hook line and sinker: that blow up doll of Terry McCrann must be due for a replacement by now.

As should your wife's Dandrews mask.

But seriously, just looking at the revenue is one measure.

Labor is historically into bigger government and more services and raise taxes to pay for it.

Liberals are into smaller government and yes less services and are more likely to reduce taxes.

Take the hook out of your mouth old son.

[eddiesmith]

Well it almost makes up for the thousands out of pocket we were for hubbies experimental cancer treatment, which wasn’t covered, but saved his life so he could continue to work ridiculous hours and pay huge tax bills that benefit people who need it and also people who choose not to work as hard as him, Cheers

As I said, I am really happy that the hearing aid worked for you, and equally happy that the experimental cancer drugs have worked for hubby.

Your post even acknowledged that the NDIS isn't run like you would a household budget. It's bloated, inefficient and perpetuates over servicing.

Rather than finding additional funding for it, perhaps effort should be put into making it efficient and value for money. Rather than money going needlessly to occupational therapists and providing expensive gear that you don't actually need. And I bet all this stuff is top dollar as they know the NDIS will just sign a blank cheque to pay whatever.

But at the same time they allocate a lot of these funds and it they're not needed they don't get spent.

Then Dave and the Dan Ass Kisser post articles about how NDIS is underfunded because they only spent 80% of the funding they were supposed to...

It's only now I'm self managed I realised I can spend a lot of the funds on things I actually need, not just what they were allocated for.

However, they have also allocated NDIS funds for my audiologist fees and new hearing aids which were all covered by a different government program. So essentially the government allocated twice as much to my hearing services as was needed so they are under budget with me!!!

Plus during Covid every year the plan just gets rolled over so it's been 3 years since I actually did a new plan. Haven't come close to spending my total allocation and probably never will, but it's a huge lifesaver to get some of these items funded.

Some may see them as unnecessary, but when they actually use them they'll understand how much easier they make life.

I spent the week with a deaf kid from NZ and he was asking about some of the devices I have and couldn't believe how expensive they are, but he doesn't have NDIS to buy them for him.

[watt price tully]

Well it almost makes up for the thousands out of pocket we were for hubbies experimental cancer treatment, which wasn’t covered, but saved his life so he could continue to work ridiculous hours and pay huge tax bills that benefit people who need it and also people who choose not to work as hard as him, Cheers

As I said, I am really happy that the hearing aid worked for you, and equally happy that the experimental cancer drugs have worked for hubby.

Your post even acknowledged that the NDIS isn't run like you would a household budget. It's bloated, inefficient and perpetuates over servicing.

Rather than finding additional funding for it, perhaps effort should be put into making it efficient and value for money. Rather than money going needlessly to occupational therapists and providing expensive gear that you don't actually need. And I bet all this stuff is top dollar as they know the NDIS will just sign a blank cheque to pay whatever.

But at the same time they allocate a lot of these funds and it they're not needed they don't get spent.

Then Dave and the Dan Ass Kisser post articles about how NDIS is underfunded because they only spent 80% of the funding they were supposed to...

It's only now I'm self managed I realised I can spend a lot of the funds on things I actually need, not just what they were allocated for.

However, they have also allocated NDIS funds for my audiologist fees and new hearing aids which were all covered by a different government program. So essentially the government allocated twice as much to my hearing services as was needed so they are under budget with me!!!

Plus during Covid every year the plan just gets rolled over so it's been 3 years since I actually did a new plan. Haven't come close to spending my total allocation and probably never will, but it's a huge lifesaver to get some of these items funded.

Some may see them as unnecessary, but when they actually use them they'll understand how much easier they make life.

I spent the week with a deaf kid from NZ and he was asking about some of the devices I have and couldn't believe how expensive they are, but he doesn't have NDIS to buy them for him.

It’s good that you’re self managing. Perhaps you should apply for a brain that might assist your less than honest reflections about DTM and certainly misrepresenting my criticisms of NDIS.

Being self managed can stop the massive rorting by NDIS providers. It’s the privatisation & the lack of regulation by the previous government which has led to the NDIS funding disaster.

[stui magpie]

^

Any time there's Government money up for grabs, the con merchants come crawling out of the woodwork to milk the system. Labor doesn't have a better track record in putting appropriate controls in place, lets see what they can do this time around.

There's also a program I only recently became aware of, which loosely falls under the NDIS, aimed at keeping elderly people at home rather than in care. My Aunt is 90 something, lives at home, NDIS paid for a walker, a wheel chair, a gardiner, house cleaner and (I think) Meals on wheels.

I got knocked back for Centrelink sickness benefits (Jobseeker) because the Toc house meant I failed the asset test, but I got a Carers Allowance, which is more, because if Mum didn't live with me she'd need to move into care or get NDIS like my Aunt.

[eddiesmith]

My Nan got on that but getting her to cooperate meant the funds didn’t get fully utilised.

But much like what you were saying about con jobs, the provider responsible for her promised the world when she went into hospital but didn’t do half of what they promised and then turned around and said she’s been in hospital too long, we’re cutting it off!

[The Prototype]

my hearing aides are fully funded, im about 70 percent deaf, and apparently should have had them since childhood.

i wont go into the bullying and shit ive had to take due to this disability, but its been a lifelong thing. getting them has changed my life dramatically, i didnt even realise how many down days i was having. im naturally an always look on the bright side personality.

i felt guilty when NDIS was suggested, said i would not qualify, and ill just take the cheapies thanks. She said no, its not means tested, i was shocked. i still didnt want extras aside from the aides. i was so embarrassed when i met with NDIS but they were amazing. i was again told i should have had them supplied free since childhood. dont feel guilty, you pay tax, you more than qualify. i still feel guilty but man, id be lost without them now! i was given a plan for 2 years, it includes a few extras, and the specialist ordered me a tv thing and a rogering device, plus i wanted a spare charger, which i offered to pay for. ndis also want me to see an occupational therapist, but i dont feel the need to, and if i lose that part of the package next time so be it. im a bit shocked that so much is allocated to a service that pays the bills, its madness, surely it would be cheaper for the NDIS to employ someone directly.

can i afford them? yes i can, but putting aside $7k for something that might not work would have been a no no for me, im not wired that way. for my kids yes, for me, no. i still feel guilty, however God knows we have paid more than enough tax over the years, money that has supported others, while i have struggled for 59 years with a disability i had no idea was so bad. that might be hard to understand but this is my normal. im not used to hearing gravel crunch under my feet, or the rain sounding like its about to smash the roof in, so many things i had no idea made noises. And i have paid retail for 3 different kinds, all just made things louder, no matter how many different set ups were programmed by the specialists, the technology now is amazing!

i have said many times people ripping the system make me so mad. they still do. I will use of my package what i need, no more. and im so very grateful for it. means testing is an interesting concept, but it can be about more than money. cheers

I feel you on this, I recently got placed onto NDIS after I did an assessment with a psychologist, they'd found with my brain injury that it has impacted my brain where I have pretty bad memory, and have some other issues. I've also got ADHD, and I am being tested for epilepsy as my girlfriend thinks that I've been having absent seizures. I had to surrender my license due to my memory issues, and blacking out a fair bit.

I went through a plan review and they have given me group activities, to go to to help me socialise and assist with my social anxiety, depression and PTSD. I have a psychologist, and a counsellor to work through all of this. I do feel as if I do not really qualify, but after doing testing it did find I had an intellectual disability, there is belief that I have autism as well.

Though I have no idea about that, I don't think I do, but anyway.

[What'sinaname]

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[think positive]

my hearing aides are fully funded, im about 70 percent deaf, and apparently should have had them since childhood.

i wont go into the bullying and shit ive had to take due to this disability, but its been a lifelong thing. getting them has changed my life dramatically, i didnt even realise how many down days i was having. im naturally an always look on the bright side personality.

i felt guilty when NDIS was suggested, said i would not qualify, and ill just take the cheapies thanks. She said no, its not means tested, i was shocked. i still didnt want extras aside from the aides. i was so embarrassed when i met with NDIS but they were amazing. i was again told i should have had them supplied free since childhood. dont feel guilty, you pay tax, you more than qualify. i still feel guilty but man, id be lost without them now! i was given a plan for 2 years, it includes a few extras, and the specialist ordered me a tv thing and a rogering device, plus i wanted a spare charger, which i offered to pay for. ndis also want me to see an occupational therapist, but i dont feel the need to, and if i lose that part of the package next time so be it. im a bit shocked that so much is allocated to a service that pays the bills, its madness, surely it would be cheaper for the NDIS to employ someone directly.

can i afford them? yes i can, but putting aside $7k for something that might not work would have been a no no for me, im not wired that way. for my kids yes, for me, no. i still feel guilty, however God knows we have paid more than enough tax over the years, money that has supported others, while i have struggled for 59 years with a disability i had no idea was so bad. that might be hard to understand but this is my normal. im not used to hearing gravel crunch under my feet, or the rain sounding like its about to smash the roof in, so many things i had no idea made noises. And i have paid retail for 3 different kinds, all just made things louder, no matter how many different set ups were programmed by the specialists, the technology now is amazing!

i have said many times people ripping the system make me so mad. they still do. I will use of my package what i need, no more. and im so very grateful for it. means testing is an interesting concept, but it can be about more than money. cheers

I feel you on this, I recently got placed onto NDIS after I did an assessment with a psychologist, they'd found with my brain injury that it has impacted my brain where I have pretty bad memory, and have some other issues. I've also got ADHD, and I am being tested for epilepsy as my girlfriend thinks that I've been having absent seizures. I had to surrender my license due to my memory issues, and blacking out a fair bit.

I went through a plan review and they have given me group activities, to go to to help me socialise and assist with my social anxiety, depression and PTSD. I have a psychologist, and a counsellor to work through all of this. I do feel as if I do not really qualify, but after doing testing it did find I had an intellectual disability, there is belief that I have autism as well.

Though I have no idea about that, I don't think I do, but anyway.

Late reply, sorry.

Mate, you have been through a lot. And your posting on another thread says a lot too. I truly hope you get all the assistance you need to thrive. You obviously need and should have access to, the full extent of disability funding to firstly, correctly diagnose your difficulties and differences, and secondly, to help you live a full and happy life.

I wish you well xxx

[think positive]

Well it almost makes up for the thousands out of pocket we were for hubbies experimental cancer treatment, which wasn’t covered, but saved his life so he could continue to work ridiculous hours and pay huge tax bills that benefit people who need it and also people who choose not to work as hard as him, Cheers

As I said, I am really happy that the hearing aid worked for you, and equally happy that the experimental cancer drugs have worked for hubby.

Your post even acknowledged that the NDIS isn't run like you would a household budget. It's bloated, inefficient and perpetuates over servicing.

Rather than finding additional funding for it, perhaps effort should be put into making it efficient and value for money. Rather than money going needlessly to occupational therapists and providing expensive gear that you don't actually need. And I bet all this stuff is top dollar as they know the NDIS will just sign a blank cheque to pay whatever.

But at the same time they allocate a lot of these funds and it they're not needed they don't get spent.

Then Dave and the Dan Ass Kisser post articles about how NDIS is underfunded because they only spent 80% of the funding they were supposed to...

It's only now I'm self managed I realised I can spend a lot of the funds on things I actually need, not just what they were allocated for.

However, they have also allocated NDIS funds for my audiologist fees and new hearing aids which were all covered by a different government program. So essentially the government allocated twice as much to my hearing services as was needed so they are under budget with me!!!

Plus during Covid every year the plan just gets rolled over so it's been 3 years since I actually did a new plan. Haven't come close to spending my total allocation and probably never will, but it's a huge lifesaver to get some of these items funded.

Some may see them as unnecessary, but when they actually use them they'll understand how much easier they make life.

I spent the week with a deaf kid from NZ and he was asking about some of the devices I have and couldn't believe how expensive they are, but he doesn't have NDIS to buy them for him.

Yeah I need to sit down and really play with the rogering device. It’s tricky, but so clever, I’ll make time this week. Theth thing works well but I’m really used to subtitles. I could probably use some of the allocation for the occupational therapist to teach me correct is, but I’ll Google it!

Whatsinaname they actually don’t sign a blank cheque, the audiologist has to do multiple tests to see which level of hearing device is needed, not everyone needs or gets the top shelf one. I did because I’m around 70-80% deaf! But I didn’t get the waterproof ones! I wish! These tools all have to be justified.


And WPT that brain comment, as much as I often argue with Eddie, is really unnecessary. Comments like that have imo contributed to the dwindling numbers in the tavern. You can actually disagree and even argue without insulting people and their intelligence. And no I didn’t read back, it doesn’t matter who started it, be the bigger person!

[LaurieHolden]

Worth a watch / listen to the following William F. Buckley Jr debate on welfare funding and reform that we can all glean some knowldege from to evolve our thinking regarding social welfare reform.

Maybe parallells to some of the debate in this thread, that as soon as the private sector gets involved, the system gets rorted.
That to me would smack of anchoring bias, and not really evolving the discussion.

Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: Should We Privatize the Welfare State? Part I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIgzH7K ... ckley%2CJr.

Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: Should We Privatize the Welfare State? Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpqWS_f ... ckley%2CJr.

Guests: Pete DuPont, Jerry Brown, Robert Shrum, Roy Innis, Sharon Daly, John C. Goodman, Robert L. Woodson, Rebecca M. Blank

[think positive]

Worth a watch / listen to the following William F. Buckley Jr debate on welfare funding and reform that we can all glean some knowldege from to evolve our thinking regarding social welfare reform.

Maybe parallells to some of the debate in this thread, that as soon as the private sector gets involved, the system gets rorted.
That to me would smack of anchoring bias, and not really evolving the discussion.

Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: Should We Privatize the Welfare State? Part I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIgzH7K ... ckley%2CJr.

Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: Should We Privatize the Welfare State? Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpqWS_f ... ckley%2CJr.

Guests: Pete DuPont, Jerry Brown, Robert Shrum, Roy Innis, Sharon Daly, John C. Goodman, Robert L. Woodson, Rebecca M. Blank

the private sector is always about profits, otherwise why bother. and sadly, the government is full of rip off merchants!

ill have a read later

[What'sinaname]

Whatsinaname they actually don’t sign a blank cheque, the audiologist has to do multiple tests to see which level of hearing device is needed, not everyone needs or gets the top shelf one. I did because I’m around 70-80% deaf! But I didn’t get the waterproof ones! I wish! These tools all have to be justified.

It appears that while audiologists are doing multiple tests, once they find out it's NDIS funded, they are selling the most premium product.

Even Shorten has admitted that it's a failed system dominated by predatory gouges, in other words, it has been a failure and needs to start again.

[stui magpie]

I think "failure" is too strong a term, it has achieved and continues to achieve many of it's objectives, it's just being milked by a minority.

The balance is, if you tighten things up to prevent the milking, you create more bureaucracy and make it harder to navigate for the majority of genuine cases and situations.