Israeli–Palestinian conflict

[David]

[Magpietothemax]

[pietillidie]

It's outright ethnocentrism. I can understand the provocation, but there's a hell of a lot of thinly-veiled ugliness in right Israeli discourse that weasels its way past normal standards of critique.

[Magpietothemax]

Here is a link to a video by a young Jewish woman who had her childhood in Israel. She explains the mass indoctrination of Israeli youth in the racist and fascistic ideology of Zionism.

What she says goes a long way to explaining the horrific videos continually posted on Twitter of the criminality and contempt for human life that young IDF conscripts continually display towards the Palestinian people:

https://x.com/VideoSurge365/status/1739 ... 62387?s=20

The only real historical precedent for this is the mass indoctrination of youth under the Third Reich.

[David]

[What'sinaname]

Here is a link to a video by a young Jewish woman who had her childhood in Israel. She explains the mass indoctrination of Israeli youth in the racist and fascistic ideology of Zionism.

What she says goes a long way to explaining the horrific videos continually posted on Twitter of the criminality and contempt for human life that young IDF conscripts continually display towards the Palestinian people:

https://x.com/VideoSurge365/status/1739 ... 62387?s=20

The only real historical precedent for this is the mass indoctrination of youth under the Third Reich.

Is it surprising when you’re surrounded by people who think from the river to the sea, Palestine should be free. Which is saying that Israel shouldn’t exist,

[Magpietothemax]

You are simply quoting the propaganda of the Zionists and their political backers in all the major capitalist governments. There is nothing in the slogan: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" that threatens the population in Israel. It simply affirms the democratic and social rights of the Palestinian people in this area of the world, which happens to be where all their homes and possessions are. The problem is not this slogan. the problem is that the Israeli capitalist state has existed, and can only continue to exist by ruthlessly enforcing an apartheid policy and continued dispossession and mass murder of the Palestinian people, now culminating in genocide. Moreover, the Israeli state presents a mortal threat to the Israeli population itself, as they will become the cannon fodder of US imperialism in its campaign to dominate the Middle East.

[What'sinaname]

Palestinians don't want Israel to exist. So the slogan means plenty.

[David]

[Magpietothemax]

[What'sinaname]

[David]

Someone needs to hold a gun to the world powers’ heads right now to stop this massacre. If that can be achieved through primarily economic, non-lethal sabotage, then all power to them. It’s the kind of moral international action that the US and its allies often boast about but rarely put into practice.

[pietillidie]

This is surely one of the most depressing events in my lifetime. I reckon most people are paralysed with disgust.

[What'sinaname]

The collateral damage of death and displaced folks is the price the Palestinians pay for voting a terrorist organisation into their government.

[David]

That's a pretty dark way of looking at it, WIAN. Does that include kids who've never voted in their lives? Given the last election was in 2006, you'd have to be 35 or over to have ever voted for anyone in Gaza (and that's not even taking into account the 56% of Gazans who did vote in that election but didn't vote for Hamas).

Otherwise, there are plenty of people here in Australia who've voted for fascist or pro-war political candidates, but I'd never advocate them being killed or maimed for it.

Anyway, at this stage of the conflict it's entirely possible to turn this around on apologists for this military campaign: you could just as easily say that Israeli citizens are responsible for their extremist government's actions in Gaza and the West Bank and thus that acts like the October 7 massacre are justified. No doubt there are Hamas supporters who believe that precisely. And why not? The IDF have killed more civilians in the last three months than Hamas have in the entire history of their organisation. But that's a bleak and dehumanising way to view the world, and I'd like to think we can be better than that.