America and the Middle East

[David]

[Culprit]

I do, many have said it would start in the Middle East and what we have is a clear indication that everyone is eager to kill each other and no one wants peace. I didn't have Iran attacking Pakistan on my 2024 Bingo card yet here we are. The Houthis are the ones that could start the next invasion from the USA/West. Nice rich oil fields and Minerals and I am waiting for WMDs to be mentioned. China is sitting back and enjoying what's going on.

[stui magpie]

^

Iran is the big agitator. This whole mess is basically a war between the US and Iran using proxies.

Interestingly though, USA is increasing the volume of it's call for an end to hostilities and the formation of a legitimate Palestinian state, which Benny the Net completely rejects.
It's also the last thing Iran wants as it would likely reduce tensions in the area.

[Magpietothemax]

^

Iran is the big agitator. This whole mess is basically a war between the US and Iran using proxies.

....umm....Iran did not reduce Iraqi society to rubble in two illegal wars of aggression (1990 and 2003), Iran did not provide Israel with conventional and nuclear weapons, Iran did not organise Saudi Arabia to carry out a proxy war in Yemen since 2015 and nor has Iran carried out strikes on yemen in the last few days, Iran did not invade Somalia, Iran did not reduce Libya to rubble and a hell on earth between warring Islamic militia, Iran did not carry out illegal drone strikes in Pakistan, Iran does not have a fleet of its navy, including aircraft carriers and unknown numbers of submarines, sitting close to the US coast....

and so the list goes on.

The main agitator in the Middle East is the US, and its stooge Israel, and as David posted above, this conflict is threatening to become a world war, as the US seeks to establish full domination over the Middle East. Iran is the next target of US imperialism, along with Russia.

[stui magpie]

^

Whatever

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/ ... /103365546

[David]

[LaurieHolden]

[Magpietothemax]

The conflict just escalated. US now bombing Iraq and Syria using the deaths of 3 US soldiers as the pretext for ramping up its direct intervention into this conflict. The US is now in the process of implementing its long planned agenda of "resolving the Palestinian question" and then eliminating the proxies of Iran and finally Iran itself. The logic is unfolding before our very eyes, if only we have the will to look. The US and it's NATO allies seek the unrestrained domination of the Middle East, as part of their strategy to dismember the Russian Federation and encircle their main rival: China. Iran is their immediate target as Iran and it's network of allies is the last remaining obstacle to complete control over the Middle East. Israel is the spearhead for their plans to recolonise the Middle East.
The contours of World War 3 are rapidly appearing on the canvas.

[pietillidie]

^By god you say some silly things. They couldn't even control Afghanistan, and now they're going to control the entire Middle East? As I say, this is every bit as irrational as your far-right counterparts who were certain that Muslims were going to take over the world.

You're not even grasping the basic maths, for goodness' sake. Stop parroting cult hysteria and use the basic capabilities of your own brain. It's tiresome having to try to ground you in earthly physics: Again, no, America is not going to control the Middle East. Its own southern border might be a start, but even that's too hard.

[David]

[pietillidie]

^Not even close. You're confusing your mind's eye of the Middle East with the actual Middle East. The US can't even 'control' its closest ally, Israel, but it's going to 'control' 400 million people across:

Bahrain
Cyprus
Egypt
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
Palestine

You have to ground these things in the actual geography and what America has shown in reality it can 'control'.

[stui magpie]

Why would the US want to control the middle east anyway?

And before anyone says Oil, the US produces enough oil domestically, they don't need middle eastern oil.

[David]

[stui magpie]

Then do some research and you'll find I'm right. The US produces enough oil to cover their domestic needs, they still import some but only around 20% comes from the middle east, but they also export oil. They're actually reaching the point where they will soon be a net exporter.

Edit, they became a net exporter in 2022.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil ... xports.php

And here's where they get the oil from.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6


So back to my question, why would the USA want to control the middle east if it's not for oil?

[Magpietothemax]

Why would the US want to control the Middle East???

It actually has little to do at all with the domestic needs of the US economy.
The US is in a struggle with its rivals for control over markets, raw materials...Oil happens to be one of the most vital of raw materials. If the US controls the Middle East, it can use this as a massive weapon to choke the supply and therefore strangle its rival economies, such as China and its so called NATO "allies" (there is no loyalty among thieves), unless they fall in line with the interests of US imperialism.
Surely this is obvious to anyone who is watching.
As for PTID's argument, as usual he is blind to the reality in front of him. As David says, it is an open secret that the US has long held plans to eliminate both Iraq ("mission accomplished") and Iran in its drive to control the Middle East. The rivalry of China and its threat to usurp US economic supremacy is driving the US to extreme recklessness, and to think that "failure" to achieve any of its aims in Afghanistan would act as a restraining factor is a fantasy.
Finally, PTID refers to the inability of the US to control its southern border, regurgitating the propaganda of Republican fascists and Trump. Yet PTID claims to abhor Trump. There is no system or coherence in his thinking - at least his political thinking.