A matter of Stats : Collingwood team & player statistics

[Pies4shaw]

*Interestingly, Taylor Adams topped our goal assists over 2023 with 1.09, 4th in the league.

He finally performed a useful role and even I accepted that he'd found a niche as a high hf in a top-class AFL team - it made his decision to leave even weirder.

[dalyc]

^

Thanks for this jezza made interesting reading

Here’s a question there’s only 2 of our starting GF side that didn’t feature in any of the top 5 place getters in any of the stats quoted by Jezza
Can you figure out who they are ?

Markov and Ginni

[Jezza]

After Opening Round 2024:

Disposals - N Daicos 34, J Daicos 28, Lipinski 26, De Goey 21, Cameron 20
Marks - Maynard 9, Pendlebury 8, Hoskin-Elliott 7, J Daicos 6, Sidebottom 6
Contested Marks - Cameron 1, Johnson 1, Markov 1, Moore 1
Marks inside 50 - Mihocek 3, Elliott 2, Hill 1, Hoskin-Elliott 1, Lipinski 1
Intercept Marks - Cameron 3, Moore 3, Hoskin-Elliott 2, Maynard 2, Sidebottom 2
Tackles - Crisp 6, Schultz 6, Cameron 5, Daicos 5, Maynard 5
Tackles inside 50 - Cameron 4, McCreery 4, Elliott 3, Schultz 3, Hill 2
Clearances - N Daicos 10, De Goey 7, Pendlebury 5, Crisp 3, J Daicos 3
Centre Clearances - N Daicos 4, De Goey 4, J Daicos 2, Pendlebury 2, Cameron 1
Stoppage Clearances - N Daicos 6, Crisp 3, De Goey 3, Pendlebury 3, Markov 2
Contested Possessions - N Daicos 16, Cameron 10, Crisp 9, Lipinski 9, De Goey 8
Intercept Possessions - Lipinski 7, Moore 7, Quaynor 6, Sidebottom 6, Cameron 5
Ground Ball Gets - N Daicos 10, Lipinski 8, Crisp 7, Markov 6, Cameron 5
Forward 50 Ground Ball Gets - N Daicos 3, Elliott 3, Lipinski 3, Cameron 2, Crisp 2
Inside 50s - N Daicos 8, Sidebottom 7, J Daicos 5, Schultz 5, De Goey 4
Hitouts - Cameron 30 (9 to advantage), Cox 19 (7 to advantage)
Goals - Mihocek 3, Cameron 2, Hill 2, N Daicos 1, Maynard 1
Goal assists - Pendlebury 2, Sidebottom 2, Crisp 1, Hill 1, Hoskin-Elliott 1
Behinds - Schultz 3, Elliott 2, Lipinski 2, Mihocek 2, Crisp 1
Score Involvements - J Daicos 8, Mihocek 8, Crisp 6, N Daicos 6, Elliott 6
Score Launches - Cameron 3, Crisp 3, Moore 3, Cox 2, N Daicos 2
Rebound 50s - Dean 4, Maynard 4, Quaynor 4, Hoskin-Elliott 3, Lipinski 3
Pressure Acts - N Daicos 32, McCreery 25, Crisp 23, Schultz 20, Elliott 18
Defensive Half Pressure Acts - Maynard 14, N Daicos 13, Crisp 12, J Daicos 8, Quaynor 8
1%ers - Moore 10, Dean 6, Quaynor 5, Hoskin-Elliott 3, Crisp 2
Spoils - Moore 7, Dean 5, Hoskin-Elliott 3, Quaynor 3, Markov 2
AF Points - Cameron 131, N Daicos 111, J Daicos 111, Maynard 99, Sidebottom 81

[LaurieHolden]

AFL Player Statistics - 2024
After Round 4
https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=2024

Players
https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=-1

Rating >10 last 5 matches
Nick Daicos 15.63
Darcy Cameron 13.70
Brayden Maynard 12.53
Scott Pendlebury 12.15
Billy Frampton 11.45
Patrick Lipinski 10.68
Tom Mitchell 10.63
Josh Daicos 10.63

[Jezza]

After Round 3 2024:

Disposals - N Daicos 123, J Daicos 93, Pendlebury 85, Lipinski 78, Maynard 77
Marks - Maynard 27, Moore 20, Elliott 18, J Daicos 17, Pendlebury 17
Contested Marks - Cameron 7, Cox 7, Mihocek 6, Moore 3, Frampton 2
Marks inside 50 - Elliott 8, Mihocek 8, Hill 5, Lipinski 5, Schultz 3
Intercept Marks - Moore 10, Cameron 8, Frampton 8, Maynard 7, Cox 4
Tackles - McCreery 21, Mihocek 17, Mitchell 17, Crisp 16, J Daicos 15
Tackles inside 50 - McCreery 8, Elliott 7, Mihocek 7, Hill 6, Schultz 5
Clearances - N Daicos 22, Pendlebury 18, Crisp 16, De Goey 16, Lipinski 11
Centre Clearances - De Goey 11, N Daicos 10, Pendlebury 10, Crisp 5, Mitchell 5
Stoppage Clearances - N Daicos 12, Crisp 11, Lipinski 10, Pendlebury 8, Cameron 5
Contested Possessions - N Daicos 46, Pendlebury 39, Cameron 33, De Goey 33, Lipinski 31
Intercept Possessions - Moore 27, Quaynor 27, Maynard 24, Frampton 19, N Daicos 18
Ground Ball Gets - N Daicos 31, Pendlebury 27, Crisp 26, Lipinski 24, De Goey 21
Forward 50 Ground Ball Gets - Elliott 9, Hill 8, Lipinski 8, Cameron 6, Crisp 5
Inside 50s - N Daicos 19, J Daicos 15, De Goey 15, Maynard 14, Schultz 14
Hitouts - Cameron 93 (26 to advantage), Cox 85 (23 to advantage)
Goals - Elliott 9, Hill 8, Mihocek 6, Cameron 4, McCreery 4
Goal assists - N Daicos 3, De Goey 3, Hoskin-Elliott 3, Pendlebury 3, Cox 2
Behinds - Mihocek 5, Elliott 4, McCreery 4, Schultz 4, Lipinski 3
Score Involvements - Elliott 25, N Daicos 24, Mihocek 21, J Daicos 20, Lipinski 18
Score Launches - Cameron 9, N Daicos 8, Moore 8, Cox 7, Lipinski 6
Rebound 50s - Moore 22, Howe 20, Maynard 19, Quaynor 14, J Daicos 9
Pressure Acts - N Daicos 92, McCreery 92, Schultz 80, Elliott 69, Mitchell 65
Defensive Half Pressure Acts - Maynard 42, N Daicos 41, McCreery 34, Crisp 31, Quaynor 31
1%ers - Moore 35, Frampton 20, Maynard 20, Howe 14, Cameron 9
Spoils - Moore 30, Frampton 20, Howe 13, Maynard 11, Dean 7
AF Points - N Daicos 396, J Daicos 363, Maynard 348, Cameron 333, Pendlebury 318

[LaurieHolden]

We've moved back into the Premiership quadrant ~
AFL Team Ratings
This has always been a reliable guide in relation to Club fortunes / finals aspirations. We sit 5th in the overall ratings.
https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_ratings.html

AFL Team Statistics - 2024
https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats ... ?year=2024

AFL Player Statistics - 2024
We've only Nick in the Top 20, 2 in the Top100 (Darcy Cameron) and 7 in the Top200.
https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=2024

[What'sinaname]

^ that is an excellent website LH. Thanks for posting that!

[Jezza]

After Round 8 2024:

Disposals - N Daicos 238, J Daicos 183, Pendlebury 154, De Goey 153, Lipinski 148
Marks - Maynard 48, Moore 38, Hoskin-Elliott 35, J Daicos 33, Howe 33
Contested Marks - Cox 13, Cameron 12, Mihocek 11, Moore 7, Elliott 3
Marks inside 50 - Mihocek 14, Elliott 13, Schultz 11, Hill 8, Cox 7
Intercept Marks - Moore 24, Cameron 15, Frampton 15, Maynard 12, Howe 10
Tackles - Crisp 42, Mitchell 40, McCreery 35, Schultz 32, J Daicos 31
Tackles inside 50 - Mihocek 13, Elliott 12, Schultz 12, McCreery 11, Cameron 8
Clearances - N Daicos 42, Crisp 33, Pendlebury 31, De Goey 30, Mitchell 26
Centre Clearances - N Daicos 20, Pendlebury 19, De Goey 17, Cameron 12, Mitchell 10
Stoppage Clearances - Crisp 24, N Daicos 22, Mitchell 16, Lipinski 14, Cameron 13
Contested Possessions - N Daicos 92, Cameron 73, De Goey 70, Crisp 65, Pendlebury 65
Intercept Possessions - Moore 63, Maynard 52, Frampton 43, Quaynor 41, Howe 34
Ground Ball Gets - N Daicos 64, Crisp 56, Lipinski 47, Pendlebury 46, De Goey 44
Forward 50 Ground Ball Gets - Elliott 21, Hill 18, Lipinski 14, Mihocek 12, Crisp 9
Inside 50s - N Daicos 46, De Goey 33, J Daicos 32, Maynard 29, Crisp 20
Hitouts - Cameron 196 (50 to advantage), Cox 133 (32 to advantage)
Goals - Elliott 14, Mihocek 14, Hill 10, Schultz 9, Lipinski 8
Goal assists - Hill 9, De Goey 6, N Daicos 5, J Daicos 5, Pendlebury 5
Behinds - Mihocek 10, Hill 8, McCreery 8, Schultz 8, Elliott 7
Score Involvements - N Daicos 57, Elliott 46, Mihocek 45, Hill 41, J Daicos 39
Score Launches - N Daicos 21, Cameron 19, Cox 14, Moore 14, Pendlebury 14
Rebound 50s - Howe 47, Moore 36, Maynard 30, Noble 22, Quaynor 22
Pressure Acts - N Daicos 187, Schultz 160, McCreery 157, Crisp 156, Elliott 137
Defensive Half Pressure Acts - N Daicos 83, Maynard 81, Crisp 74, J Daicos 61, Quaynor 61
1%ers - Moore 76, Frampton 46, Maynard 39, Howe 36, Cameron 17
Spoils - Moore 68, Frampton 42, Howe 35, Maynard 22, Cameron 13
AF Points - N Daicos 806, J Daicos 712, Cameron 696, Maynard 617, Pendlebury 602

[LaurieHolden]

A third of the season sone and only 4 players who have started 6 or more games are yet to receive an AFLCA coaches vote

Bobby Hill - unlucky not to get a vote the day he handed out goal assists like they hand out water bottles during a marathon
Beau McCreery - hasn’t had an impact on games yet but his pressure up forward has been instrumental in some of our wins.
Mason Cox - has been below par most of the season. If we had a realistic second ruck option he likely wouldn’t be in the side
Steele Sidebottom - running between the arcs but basically all he’s doing is putting more miles into tired legs. Has yet to have a impact in a game this season

Off the back of the discussion re AFLCA votes, we can also blend in AFL Player Statistics - Last 5 matches. https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=-1

While Cox and Sidey stat's are well off their peak playing days, they remain more of a known quantity, and we simply haven't produced viable replacements, so it is what it is.
Harrison looms as one that Sidey can pass the baton to, but Harrison hasn't been close to showing us a body of work that would force an ageing champion like Sidey from the side.
Cox, I suspect once McStay comes available, will have played his last game. Until then, and with the injuries of Steene in particular, he'll continue to grab a spot.

Just as much of a concern, perhaps more so for me has been the output of Isaac Quaynor. He's a mile off where we expected him to be. He more than anyone for his experience needs to start finding the ball and impacting matches. If I was an opposition coach, on YTD form he'd present no match-up concern.
The euphoria of a win, particularly against the arch enemy can afford a player to hide in the corners. I'd love to know what the internal view is of IQ is atm, but his statistical output and his on-field presence is not best 22 standard to-date, albeit perhaps reflecting out true list depth, hence why the veterans continue to hold their spots.
Of those as QM67 points out, Bobby Hill might have grabbed some AFLCA votes, but he's been playing on GF fumes to date. He really needs to find form again, because 10 goals for a forward of his skill set isn't an output I'd expect the Club would be satisfied with. That's one more goal than Schultz whom plenty are calling for a spell in the magoos.
I don't know whether it's more about structure of our forward line, i.e. not having Mihocek and McStay, but he's also well off from where his talent should have him at.
Finally, McCreery. His core DNA to date has been pressure acts. Defensive forward is one thing, but he really needs to start hitting the scoreboard, otherwise I'd be shifting him to a new role in 2025, and that'll be off a HBF. Maybe we can get Julie in his ear to get him focussed.

In summary, if Quaynor, Hill and McCreery take that form into the business end of the season, it'll be a real concern.

[piffdog]

Thought I would add "performance vs expected" chart for the season so far... (note last column is season avg)

Some observations:
- rookies overrepresented because of a small sample size - but the output in absolute terms is impressive for Richards and Sullivan (probably helps they've played on ball)
- Jordy was stinking it up. Was there an underlying injury which has finally resulted in him not playing/resting?
- given the "expected ratings" take into account past performances, Nick is exceeding even his own high standards
- the eye test tells me Darcy Cameron is going better than these stats suggest this season
- Lipinski playing above himself so far
- Steele, Cox, Quaynor all playing below their expected output (which is probably matching what were seeing qualitatively
-not many positive numbers in the first couple rounds (a lot of players output below their expectations

Separately, the top handful of performances (in absolute statistical terms) have gone to:
- Nick (Rd 0, 6, 7, eight) - all greater than 22.4, the best being Rd 6 vs Port @ 26.9
- Lipinski (Rd 2 - 22.4)
- Pendles (Rd 9, 21.2)
- Hosko v Port was 15.4 (4th highest that game behind Nick, Lipinski and Jordy)
- FYI the single best game in the comp so far this season has been Bont (31.9) vs Hawks in Rd 8 (when they lost).

[LaurieHolden]

^cheers, my favourite table.

Bont polling 31, that's ridiculous.

[qldmagpie67]

Interesting that on AFL 360 tonight Montana said that was Sidey’s highest rated game for past 70 games.
He highlighted how his footy brain reading play made up for loss of leg speed and how it freed up Markov Noble to play more free and Nick and Crisp to play midfield only.
Could this be a new lease of life and allow us to try adding some more speed to the wing in a Harrison or alike ?
They also highlighted how Rankin is the 3rd highest rated player in the game over the past 6 weeks using his speed from contests even when starting in the midfield

[piffdog]

I do think playing Sidey off half back might also help create more midfield/wing time for the next crop. Not to mention getting Crisp in the middle/on the ball more.

[piffdog]

Snap - posted before reading QldMagpies post…

What he said…

[RudeBoy]

What do they say about statistics, damn lies and statistics?