Hey Joffa, I'm with ya buddy.
NO HOME GAMES IN SYDNEY !!!!!!!!!!
Also, this season we have got 18 games in Melbourne and only 4 in other States, and look how well we are traveling at the moment!
I know it is only luck of the draw, (since, we didn't have to go over to WA at all and 2 of the 4 games were in Adelaide!)
next season we might have 6 games outside of Victoria.
My point is, is that it doesn't matter if we have home games in Sydney because we won't have as much support for the team since the fans will turn up to see the Swans playing, NOT US!!!
MCQUIRE, WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO THE FANS.
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"Good Old Collingwood Forever"
[This message has been edited by CJ (edited 21 June 2000).]
no home games in sydney petition
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Caz
Collingwood was started in, and should always stay, at Melbourne. North Melbourne tried it, and failed miserably. Sydneysiders don't care about Collingwood - WE DO. If the powers that be at Collingwood don't realise that by now, Heaven help them.
WE LOVE THE PIES, BUT HOME GAMES SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN MELBOURNE!!
It's enough that we don't play games at Vic Park anymore.
Please listen Eddie and co.
We support through the highs and lows of the club (and, let's face it, there have been more lows than highs lately). Please listen, no home games in Sydney!!!
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Go Pies!!!
**Caz**
WE LOVE THE PIES, BUT HOME GAMES SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN MELBOURNE!!
It's enough that we don't play games at Vic Park anymore.
Please listen Eddie and co.
We support through the highs and lows of the club (and, let's face it, there have been more lows than highs lately). Please listen, no home games in Sydney!!!
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Go Pies!!!
**Caz**
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AlfAndrews
I've had a lot to say on this subject already in past threads. But I'll try to sum up briefly how I feel about it.
1. Collingwood is a Melbourne institution, part of the cultural fabric of this city.
2. The "home" game is an important concept in any sporting competition, enabling a supporter to establish an ongoing emotional connection to their club of choice. An important component of this is being able to actually attend "home" matches.
3. The "home" game needs to be at "home". Otherwise the supporter will find it difficult or expensive to attend. It would scarcely constitute a genuine "home" game if the "away" side had more local support than the "home" side. e.g. Collingwood V Sydney in Sydney.
4.In the context of a national competition, this means that a Melbourne-based club should play its "home" games in Melbourne. And the same should apply to clubs based in other states.
5.Although some inequities are inevitable in a 16 team national competition played over 22 rounds, some basic concepts of fair play should be maintained. The most important of these is that each club is guaranteed 11 genuine "home" games. This right should apply to all clubs ... even the hated S.A. and W.A. clubs, as well as the Melbourne-based clubs.
6.The idea of some special deal enabling Collingwood to play a "home" game in Sydney while still being guaranteed 18 games in Melbourne is unfair to supporters of clubs based in Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland. It means that the probability of those clubs being drawn to play Collingwood at their "home" grounds is reduced. Every club is entitled to its fair share of "home" games against Collingwood, just as Collingwood is entitled to its fair share of "home" games against all other clubs. SPECIAL DEALS ARE A CORRUPTION OF THAT PRINCIPLE.
7.The Kangaroos are a special case, since this is a club that has made a conscious decision to be a "national" club, rather than one linked to any particular location. For this reason it is reasonable to expect a club like Collingwood to be drawn to play "away" matches against the Kangaroos in Sydney.
8.In addition to these "matters of principle", there is also a practical consideration. The Sydney market for football has been over-estimated. A crowd of less than 7,000 recently attended a Kangaroos-Port match. Even Sydney Swans' crowds are down this year because the Sydney market is fickle. Sydney-siders will only support the Swans ... and then only if the Swans are winning consistently.
9.Conclusion: The maximum number of matches that Collingwood should play in Sydney in any one year should be 2. These would be the "away" matches against Sydney and the Kangaroos. It would be fair enough for Collingwood to put in a special request for this maximum number of games in 2001. Under no circumstances should Collingwood play any "home" matches outside of Melbourne.
I'm sorry that wasn't very "brief", but I think I've covered everything.
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**floreat pica**
1. Collingwood is a Melbourne institution, part of the cultural fabric of this city.
2. The "home" game is an important concept in any sporting competition, enabling a supporter to establish an ongoing emotional connection to their club of choice. An important component of this is being able to actually attend "home" matches.
3. The "home" game needs to be at "home". Otherwise the supporter will find it difficult or expensive to attend. It would scarcely constitute a genuine "home" game if the "away" side had more local support than the "home" side. e.g. Collingwood V Sydney in Sydney.
4.In the context of a national competition, this means that a Melbourne-based club should play its "home" games in Melbourne. And the same should apply to clubs based in other states.
5.Although some inequities are inevitable in a 16 team national competition played over 22 rounds, some basic concepts of fair play should be maintained. The most important of these is that each club is guaranteed 11 genuine "home" games. This right should apply to all clubs ... even the hated S.A. and W.A. clubs, as well as the Melbourne-based clubs.
6.The idea of some special deal enabling Collingwood to play a "home" game in Sydney while still being guaranteed 18 games in Melbourne is unfair to supporters of clubs based in Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland. It means that the probability of those clubs being drawn to play Collingwood at their "home" grounds is reduced. Every club is entitled to its fair share of "home" games against Collingwood, just as Collingwood is entitled to its fair share of "home" games against all other clubs. SPECIAL DEALS ARE A CORRUPTION OF THAT PRINCIPLE.
7.The Kangaroos are a special case, since this is a club that has made a conscious decision to be a "national" club, rather than one linked to any particular location. For this reason it is reasonable to expect a club like Collingwood to be drawn to play "away" matches against the Kangaroos in Sydney.
8.In addition to these "matters of principle", there is also a practical consideration. The Sydney market for football has been over-estimated. A crowd of less than 7,000 recently attended a Kangaroos-Port match. Even Sydney Swans' crowds are down this year because the Sydney market is fickle. Sydney-siders will only support the Swans ... and then only if the Swans are winning consistently.
9.Conclusion: The maximum number of matches that Collingwood should play in Sydney in any one year should be 2. These would be the "away" matches against Sydney and the Kangaroos. It would be fair enough for Collingwood to put in a special request for this maximum number of games in 2001. Under no circumstances should Collingwood play any "home" matches outside of Melbourne.
I'm sorry that wasn't very "brief", but I think I've covered everything.
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**floreat pica**
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JLC
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Word Up Joffa and all the othe magpies out there
As usual Joffa is spot on. There is no point
moving to Sydney. It will achieve absoloutely
nothing. As usual Eddie McGuire sells out on
the true Collingwood Supporters in Victoria.
We should take a leaf out of Carltons book
who still have a home groung advantage
because John Elliot stood firm and told
Wayne Jackson to get stuffed and stick his stadium up his arse.
We should also abandon Colonial games
and play all games at the MCG. There is no
future in playing at Colonial.
Anyway this is all for now i will have my
second chapter up soon
So Eddie remember where the real
Collingwood supporters are. Look after your
back garden before you go chasing another
market. You only seem to know us when you
want members or fundraising
Word Up Joffa
JLC has spoken...........
As usual Joffa is spot on. There is no point
moving to Sydney. It will achieve absoloutely
nothing. As usual Eddie McGuire sells out on
the true Collingwood Supporters in Victoria.
We should take a leaf out of Carltons book
who still have a home groung advantage
because John Elliot stood firm and told
Wayne Jackson to get stuffed and stick his stadium up his arse.
We should also abandon Colonial games
and play all games at the MCG. There is no
future in playing at Colonial.
Anyway this is all for now i will have my
second chapter up soon
So Eddie remember where the real
Collingwood supporters are. Look after your
back garden before you go chasing another
market. You only seem to know us when you
want members or fundraising
Word Up Joffa
JLC has spoken...........
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Greg J
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I can see no sense in playing a home game in Sydney. If I wanted to watch football on TV I would get cable (I'll use my membership money). I want to watch games live at the MCG (or at Vic Park).
Magpiera, I do not think we can trust the AFL to give us a fair deal, in return for us waving the AFL flag in Sydney.
Magpiera, I do not think we can trust the AFL to give us a fair deal, in return for us waving the AFL flag in Sydney.
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Rinnovator
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Eddie, you have got to be joking if you think this idea will have anything but a negative impact on THE CLUB!!
Even though I am from Perth and don't actually attend any "home" games, I watch every televised coverage (and go to every ansett cup game or coca cola season game if per chance the mighty black and whites grace Perth with their presence) and when Pebbles thumps the ball 60 odd metres, or Willo kicks a goal from 50 on the run, or the up and coming superstar Tarrant takes a hell specky, the fans go berko and the atmosphere around the ground is unbelievable. The die hard Collingwood supporters are in the heart of football in Melbourne and it's their support that gets the team to give it that little bit extra when we need it, and when we have a good passage of play, the noise is amazing. Do you really think you will get that in Sydney Ed? I seriously doubt it. And how do you think "Good old Collingwood forever" will sound without the passion, pride, sincerity, and emotion that the real supporters in Melbourne give.
Think about it Ed, the idea stinks.
From a Perth one eyed Pie, Corinne
Even though I am from Perth and don't actually attend any "home" games, I watch every televised coverage (and go to every ansett cup game or coca cola season game if per chance the mighty black and whites grace Perth with their presence) and when Pebbles thumps the ball 60 odd metres, or Willo kicks a goal from 50 on the run, or the up and coming superstar Tarrant takes a hell specky, the fans go berko and the atmosphere around the ground is unbelievable. The die hard Collingwood supporters are in the heart of football in Melbourne and it's their support that gets the team to give it that little bit extra when we need it, and when we have a good passage of play, the noise is amazing. Do you really think you will get that in Sydney Ed? I seriously doubt it. And how do you think "Good old Collingwood forever" will sound without the passion, pride, sincerity, and emotion that the real supporters in Melbourne give.
Think about it Ed, the idea stinks.
From a Perth one eyed Pie, Corinne