WE surely need to look into this more closely it can be dealt with minorly.
Keep Willow
3 way trade
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rhain
3 way trade
We can't let this happen we can't possibly lose Paul Williams 4 Fraser Gehrig. After all Paul Williams is the best Tackler in the league. And Gehrig well he is a fast strong and a great overhead mark, but his knee injury might have effected him.
WE surely need to look into this more closely it can be dealt with minorly.
Keep Willow
WE surely need to look into this more closely it can be dealt with minorly.
Keep Willow
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NICK THE PIE MAN
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Spidergirl
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Mick
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I think you're lacking a bit in credibility criticising the club for it's trading when you're tag is #8 rocks. Picking up that over-rated hack Olernshaw has to be the biggest dud of a trade since we got Graham Teasdale. What makes it worse is every time Ramanaskas runs rampant the salt is pressed even further into the wound.
More broadly you would have to question whether Noel "Wonder-Recruiter" Judkins has actually taken the club forward or back in recent times. If big Balmey was doing his job as Director of Football I'd be having a close look at Judkins' contract. You've got to fear the day when he doesn't have first and second, and priority choices to work with let alone the recent spate of father and son choices handed to him on a platter. Hasn't really set the world on fire...
In fact when you think about the recruitment of Judkins mirrors the Club's approach to recruiting. Get the guy who was top of the tree a few years ago, who's past his peak and then realise the mistake we've made only when it's too late.
Only the best for Collingwood eh Eddie....well we're waiting ..
I think you're lacking a bit in credibility criticising the club for it's trading when you're tag is #8 rocks. Picking up that over-rated hack Olernshaw has to be the biggest dud of a trade since we got Graham Teasdale. What makes it worse is every time Ramanaskas runs rampant the salt is pressed even further into the wound.
More broadly you would have to question whether Noel "Wonder-Recruiter" Judkins has actually taken the club forward or back in recent times. If big Balmey was doing his job as Director of Football I'd be having a close look at Judkins' contract. You've got to fear the day when he doesn't have first and second, and priority choices to work with let alone the recent spate of father and son choices handed to him on a platter. Hasn't really set the world on fire...
In fact when you think about the recruitment of Judkins mirrors the Club's approach to recruiting. Get the guy who was top of the tree a few years ago, who's past his peak and then realise the mistake we've made only when it's too late.
Only the best for Collingwood eh Eddie....well we're waiting ..
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Mr_Plow
Mick i have to take you up on your critisism of Noel Judkins.
Firstly i'm under the impression that it was our coach Tony Shaw who wanted Olarenshaw.
And even taking aside Josh Fraser, Davis, Oborne and Shaw, Judkins has recruited great in the 3 years he's been here.
And have a look at these players:
Kinnear, Lockyer, Jacotine, Scotland, Adkins, Betheras, L.Davis, Johnson, Baynes
They were all drafted with 3rd round picks or lower. There's no doubt our trading has been terrible but i think that is always the coaches call.
But if you compare our drafting to the other clubs in the comp since Judkins' arrival i reckon were would be the best in the league.
Firstly i'm under the impression that it was our coach Tony Shaw who wanted Olarenshaw.
And even taking aside Josh Fraser, Davis, Oborne and Shaw, Judkins has recruited great in the 3 years he's been here.
And have a look at these players:
Kinnear, Lockyer, Jacotine, Scotland, Adkins, Betheras, L.Davis, Johnson, Baynes
They were all drafted with 3rd round picks or lower. There's no doubt our trading has been terrible but i think that is always the coaches call.
But if you compare our drafting to the other clubs in the comp since Judkins' arrival i reckon were would be the best in the league.
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Mick
Mr Plow - I believe you're being very generous.
How many Norwich rising star nominations did we get this year (a true independent measure) - 1 (Fraser - which was a gimme) compare with say a Melb (3) or Freo (3)
Kinnear - at the crossroads and yet to establish himself - compare with say a Bruce of Melb or Pavlich of Freo
Lockyer - off the supp list and not from the national draft
Jacotine - a reserves player at the moment
Scotland - inconsistent and far from established
Adkins - a good pick up
Betheras - off the supp list again
L Davis - still in the potential bucket
Johnson - a good 'un
Baynes - still in the potential bucket
How many of this list honestly will be superstars and not just good ordinary players?
Most of these guys are yet to stamp their mark. My point is that Judkins needs to recruit guys who can stamp their mark quickly. For instance Brad Green - 4 goals in a final - instant senior player c/w Oborne/Scotland/Jacotine - 2nd year in and we're still waiting for them to perform one vote-winning game let alone string a few together
Pavlich/Brown - Freo c/w Kinnear who's yet to establish himself.
I'm not even going to start on the trades because Judkins has thrown the baby out with the bath water. Basic rule is you trade at the margin i.e you try and get a player slightly better than the one you got rid of. He's managed to get rid of a succession of players without so much as a draft pick (see Russell, Francis, Monkhorst, Schauble) let alone the King deal. Now what do you reckon we'll get for Sav - nada!
How many Norwich rising star nominations did we get this year (a true independent measure) - 1 (Fraser - which was a gimme) compare with say a Melb (3) or Freo (3)
Kinnear - at the crossroads and yet to establish himself - compare with say a Bruce of Melb or Pavlich of Freo
Lockyer - off the supp list and not from the national draft
Jacotine - a reserves player at the moment
Scotland - inconsistent and far from established
Adkins - a good pick up
Betheras - off the supp list again
L Davis - still in the potential bucket
Johnson - a good 'un
Baynes - still in the potential bucket
How many of this list honestly will be superstars and not just good ordinary players?
Most of these guys are yet to stamp their mark. My point is that Judkins needs to recruit guys who can stamp their mark quickly. For instance Brad Green - 4 goals in a final - instant senior player c/w Oborne/Scotland/Jacotine - 2nd year in and we're still waiting for them to perform one vote-winning game let alone string a few together
Pavlich/Brown - Freo c/w Kinnear who's yet to establish himself.
I'm not even going to start on the trades because Judkins has thrown the baby out with the bath water. Basic rule is you trade at the margin i.e you try and get a player slightly better than the one you got rid of. He's managed to get rid of a succession of players without so much as a draft pick (see Russell, Francis, Monkhorst, Schauble) let alone the King deal. Now what do you reckon we'll get for Sav - nada!
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Mr_Plow
firstly trades and the draft are 2 separate things. I think you'll find that Judkins has very little to do with trades. Just last week Eddie was asked about Gehrig. He said he has nothing to do with trades, that's Neil Balme and Greg Swann's department.
Rising star nominations, we got 2 - Fraser and Adkins. Might have got a couple more but they like to share them between the clubs.
As for the players you've listed they're all pretty much 18-20, we really have to wait a couple more years to see if they will make it.
And Tarkyn Lockyer was taken from our rookie list, which is really just an extension of the draft.
As for Brad Green, if it were obvious he'd be this good so quick i think richmond, the pies, cats, hawks, egirls, power and dogs all would have taken him.
Rising star nominations, we got 2 - Fraser and Adkins. Might have got a couple more but they like to share them between the clubs.
As for the players you've listed they're all pretty much 18-20, we really have to wait a couple more years to see if they will make it.
And Tarkyn Lockyer was taken from our rookie list, which is really just an extension of the draft.
As for Brad Green, if it were obvious he'd be this good so quick i think richmond, the pies, cats, hawks, egirls, power and dogs all would have taken him.
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Spidergirl
over rated hack i dont think so Mick. How can u call a player who came from a club that is most likely the club of the 90's, won a premiership medal with them not to mention was one of the very best on the ground that day, an over rated hack. hhhmm i don't think so. Ricky has just had more than his fair share of injuries so u can't exactly judge him if he hasn't had a proper chance to prove himself with us. Anyway i am sick of people agruing with me about Rick, u just have your opinion and i will have mine ok.
oh and next time u wanna mention him get his name spelt right. AND if i wanna sign of with #8 RoCkS Go RiCkY I will cause hes my fav Pie and i will stick by him no matter what. It wouldn't hurt for some of youz to do the same with some of your faves either. A lot of youz worshipped Sav when he kicked his 500th, i bet, but look how quick u are to shit on him now. Shame, shame, shame.
#8 RoCkS
Go RiCkY! (and proud to say it!!!)
oh and next time u wanna mention him get his name spelt right. AND if i wanna sign of with #8 RoCkS Go RiCkY I will cause hes my fav Pie and i will stick by him no matter what. It wouldn't hurt for some of youz to do the same with some of your faves either. A lot of youz worshipped Sav when he kicked his 500th, i bet, but look how quick u are to shit on him now. Shame, shame, shame.
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CQ
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hey mick! are you saying tarkyn isnt THAT good???? he made it in the top 10 in the LEAGUE for rebounds in defence, and didnt really do that well in the middle of the year (a game in the ressys) and played in the midfield for the last part of the year. now for a guy who hasnt even played 50 games i reckon it is a really good effort.
i also dont appreciate you bagging out ricky olerenshaw cos he, like spidergirl said, has had injuries, and im sure he doesnt go out there looking for them, it was just bad luck. and you mick, seeing as you think you are such an expert and all, should relise that ricky does alot of other things around the club besides being an injured player. f*ck other players when they are injured are hardly at the club, but ricky is there like nearly every day. this, to me, is called DEDICATION. maybe you should remember this when you make future references to ricky.
oh and another thing, spidergirl is allowed to sign off however she wants, it is of no concern to you.
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i also dont appreciate you bagging out ricky olerenshaw cos he, like spidergirl said, has had injuries, and im sure he doesnt go out there looking for them, it was just bad luck. and you mick, seeing as you think you are such an expert and all, should relise that ricky does alot of other things around the club besides being an injured player. f*ck other players when they are injured are hardly at the club, but ricky is there like nearly every day. this, to me, is called DEDICATION. maybe you should remember this when you make future references to ricky.
oh and another thing, spidergirl is allowed to sign off however she wants, it is of no concern to you.
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Mick
kiddies...
have I teased your poor Ricky too much?
you've missed the point - it's not really about him it's about whether we should have recruited him in the first place
bad luck with injuries is exactly why we should never have picked him up - Essendon fans knew this before he was traded, Collingwood fans knew this before he was traded - Judkins should have known this - face it - we were sucked in again
you keep hanging on to that distant memory of him being a 1993 (that's right 7 years ago!) premiership player spidergirl - I'm sure he'll come good one day ....
as for your crap CQ - he does a lot of good things around the Club - stiff shit - we recruit footballers - it's this type of excuse-making that kept the world's greatest bloke but unluckiest footballer Lee Walker at the club 3 seasons too long
(also - try reading my posts before baggin them - I'd like to see where I said Lockyer couldn't play)
have I teased your poor Ricky too much?
you've missed the point - it's not really about him it's about whether we should have recruited him in the first place
bad luck with injuries is exactly why we should never have picked him up - Essendon fans knew this before he was traded, Collingwood fans knew this before he was traded - Judkins should have known this - face it - we were sucked in again
you keep hanging on to that distant memory of him being a 1993 (that's right 7 years ago!) premiership player spidergirl - I'm sure he'll come good one day ....
as for your crap CQ - he does a lot of good things around the Club - stiff shit - we recruit footballers - it's this type of excuse-making that kept the world's greatest bloke but unluckiest footballer Lee Walker at the club 3 seasons too long
(also - try reading my posts before baggin them - I'd like to see where I said Lockyer couldn't play)
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Broadie
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CQ & Spidergirl:
Mick is completely accurate in his assessment of Olarenshaw.
Players are not labelled success/failures on the basis of one or two seasons. If that were so, Sav would be universally decalared a legend of the game, and ADrian McAdam one of the game's greats.
Spidergirl, what will your signature say next year? Ricky won't be playing. Guaranteed. Even he has been talking about either umpiring or coaching.
I have nothing against Olarenshaw - he was jsut a complete waste of space on Collingwood's list. Just like Walker.
Successful clubs don't recruit injury-prone players...perhaps that helps explains the Orangeroos fall from grace this year (Colbert, Calthorpe).
Mick is completely accurate in his assessment of Olarenshaw.
Players are not labelled success/failures on the basis of one or two seasons. If that were so, Sav would be universally decalared a legend of the game, and ADrian McAdam one of the game's greats.
Spidergirl, what will your signature say next year? Ricky won't be playing. Guaranteed. Even he has been talking about either umpiring or coaching.
I have nothing against Olarenshaw - he was jsut a complete waste of space on Collingwood's list. Just like Walker.
Successful clubs don't recruit injury-prone players...perhaps that helps explains the Orangeroos fall from grace this year (Colbert, Calthorpe).