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#25 Josh Fraser
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Josh Fraser: Can he deliver?
I've watched Josh over the last 6 years and continue to be disappointed.
He still teases us with a little bit of brilliance every so often and then he goes missing....completely. His first half against the Kangas was pitiful.
Against Richmond he had no influence in the first half and yet did well in the second half.
The thing is, he is not a young hopeful, he was our acting captain and yet Rocca appeared to do all the yapping and encouraging.
Josh just lacks consistent intensity and I find myself screaming at the TV for him to impose himself.
He shouldn't ever be considered for captain.
Is he an untouchable now?
He should be high on our trading list in my opinion.
I've run out of patience Josh.
He still teases us with a little bit of brilliance every so often and then he goes missing....completely. His first half against the Kangas was pitiful.
Against Richmond he had no influence in the first half and yet did well in the second half.
The thing is, he is not a young hopeful, he was our acting captain and yet Rocca appeared to do all the yapping and encouraging.
Josh just lacks consistent intensity and I find myself screaming at the TV for him to impose himself.
He shouldn't ever be considered for captain.
Is he an untouchable now?
He should be high on our trading list in my opinion.
I've run out of patience Josh.
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He looked like he would be a superstar after his 2nd season, and then he got the case of OP and it took an effect on him.
He needs some help. He has always had to take on these big bulky ruckmen, and it's not his go. That's why it is important to use Bryan, and if not go and look for a bulky ruckman.
He needs some help. He has always had to take on these big bulky ruckmen, and it's not his go. That's why it is important to use Bryan, and if not go and look for a bulky ruckman.
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oh cmon
Last season was fantastic from josh. Held up the ruck all by himself and proved to be an extra midfielder around the ground for us.
Some people simply have short memories. He's obviously unfit atm so he's unable to perform the role he played so well last year. Wait till he runs himself into full fitness so we can find someone else to bag
Last season was fantastic from josh. Held up the ruck all by himself and proved to be an extra midfielder around the ground for us.
Some people simply have short memories. He's obviously unfit atm so he's unable to perform the role he played so well last year. Wait till he runs himself into full fitness so we can find someone else to bag
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Give it a rest. Josh CLEARLY isn't fit, he is carrying some kind of injury the club are not telling us about and was probably only kept in the team cause we couldn't afford to lose Clement and Fraser at the last minute.
How else could you explain the fact that he started on the bench and didnt come on to the ground until 12-13 minutes into the first quarter? He probably spent less than 50% of the first half on the actual ground, are you aware of this? When Fraser was on he was brilliant, he had some fantastic hitouts right into our midfielders lap. But anyone who was at the game watching him could tell he was struggling, he is definetly not 100% I would put my life on that.
How else could you explain the fact that he started on the bench and didnt come on to the ground until 12-13 minutes into the first quarter? He probably spent less than 50% of the first half on the actual ground, are you aware of this? When Fraser was on he was brilliant, he had some fantastic hitouts right into our midfielders lap. But anyone who was at the game watching him could tell he was struggling, he is definetly not 100% I would put my life on that.
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So Josh has fulfilled your expectations; is that what you are saying?
Think back 6 years. Remember the hype and expectation?
Sure he may not be 100% but that's not my point.
I'm suggesting he is not the answer for Collingwood. He's all we have granted, but is Josh ever going to be a Dean Cox or a Sandilands or an Everitt?
I doubt it.
I think overall, Josh has been disappointing and certainly not what we had hoped for.
Think back 6 years. Remember the hype and expectation?
Sure he may not be 100% but that's not my point.
I'm suggesting he is not the answer for Collingwood. He's all we have granted, but is Josh ever going to be a Dean Cox or a Sandilands or an Everitt?
I doubt it.
I think overall, Josh has been disappointing and certainly not what we had hoped for.
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jeff corfe
Re: Josh Fraser: Can he deliver?
What a load of F#cking crap!!!Neil Appleby wrote:I've watched Josh over the last 6 years and continue to be disappointed.
He still teases us with a little bit of brilliance every so often and then he goes missing....completely. His first half against the Kangas was pitiful.
Against Richmond he had no influence in the first half and yet did well in the second half.
The thing is, he is not a young hopeful, he was our acting captain and yet Rocca appeared to do all the yapping and encouraging.
Josh just lacks consistent intensity and I find myself screaming at the TV for him to impose himself.
He shouldn't ever be considered for captain.
Is he an untouchable now?
He should be high on our trading list in my opinion.
I've run out of patience Josh.
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Ive never been a huge fan of josh...in fact 2 years ago i started a thread called "Trade Josh Fraser" or something like that and i copped the most abuse i ever have in my life.
Last year, i was proved wrong. Josh did more than stand up last year...he imposed himself on the AFL. Despite to this day not been a fantastic tap ruckman, his ability around the ground makes him at time just as dangerous as Dean Cox. He also found consistency last year.
This year has been very very poor from Josh. He is out of touch. However i do think he was badly injured against the Eagles and is feeling very flat. He did not run on Friday night and barely made an impact against Simmonds in teh ruck...in fact Guy Richards did quite a good job at times in the ruck (but again showed how much of a dud he is aroudn the ground)
Josh should be rested somewhere during the season. Not yet as we are so undermanned, but he should be given a break and Bryan should be tested somewhere. Essendon could be a good idea to try Bryan as they usually play Hille, Laycock and Ryder, but we must find a game where josh is rested completely.
My problem with josh is his aerial skills. Although he can take some good marks, he is not a good contested mark as he has a light frame and is easily displaced in a contest.
I am amazed at the amount of people calling for him to be a permanent forward. He would be a total waste in this position. He cannot take contested marks, he is a 50/50 shot on goal, and although been quick for his height, is not quick for a modern day forward. A good defender like a Rutten, Scarlett or Glass would eat him up...so would most teams 2nd rate defender.
His ability comes from being an attacking ruckman. He is quicker and more agile than just about anyone in the league for his height...including Cox...and when he goes forward, his opponent cant go with him and he finds himself in space and is able to penetrate on the lead.
He puffs out because he runs so much for a ruckman...something he has not done this year admittingly. But his workrate is top rate usually. If Richards finally comes through, it will be an enormous boost for Josh who can have more breaks on the bench or up forward with a mis-match.
Im sure Josh will stand up this year again, but he is carrying something at the moment. The next 2 weeks will be telling as we play Saturday, then again on Wednesday infront of 90 thousand. However he should get a good rest after that.
Last year, i was proved wrong. Josh did more than stand up last year...he imposed himself on the AFL. Despite to this day not been a fantastic tap ruckman, his ability around the ground makes him at time just as dangerous as Dean Cox. He also found consistency last year.
This year has been very very poor from Josh. He is out of touch. However i do think he was badly injured against the Eagles and is feeling very flat. He did not run on Friday night and barely made an impact against Simmonds in teh ruck...in fact Guy Richards did quite a good job at times in the ruck (but again showed how much of a dud he is aroudn the ground)
Josh should be rested somewhere during the season. Not yet as we are so undermanned, but he should be given a break and Bryan should be tested somewhere. Essendon could be a good idea to try Bryan as they usually play Hille, Laycock and Ryder, but we must find a game where josh is rested completely.
My problem with josh is his aerial skills. Although he can take some good marks, he is not a good contested mark as he has a light frame and is easily displaced in a contest.
I am amazed at the amount of people calling for him to be a permanent forward. He would be a total waste in this position. He cannot take contested marks, he is a 50/50 shot on goal, and although been quick for his height, is not quick for a modern day forward. A good defender like a Rutten, Scarlett or Glass would eat him up...so would most teams 2nd rate defender.
His ability comes from being an attacking ruckman. He is quicker and more agile than just about anyone in the league for his height...including Cox...and when he goes forward, his opponent cant go with him and he finds himself in space and is able to penetrate on the lead.
He puffs out because he runs so much for a ruckman...something he has not done this year admittingly. But his workrate is top rate usually. If Richards finally comes through, it will be an enormous boost for Josh who can have more breaks on the bench or up forward with a mis-match.
Im sure Josh will stand up this year again, but he is carrying something at the moment. The next 2 weeks will be telling as we play Saturday, then again on Wednesday infront of 90 thousand. However he should get a good rest after that.
There's more to life than footy.........just not much more.
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jeff corfe
Re: Josh Fraser: Can he deliver?
Your on ignore appleby i find your negative collingwood crap all the time offensive..have a good life mateNeil Appleby wrote:I've watched Josh over the last 6 years and continue to be disappointed.
He still teases us with a little bit of brilliance every so often and then he goes missing....completely. His first half against the Kangas was pitiful.
Against Richmond he had no influence in the first half and yet did well in the second half.
The thing is, he is not a young hopeful, he was our acting captain and yet Rocca appeared to do all the yapping and encouraging.
Josh just lacks consistent intensity and I find myself screaming at the TV for him to impose himself.
He shouldn't ever be considered for captain.
Is he an untouchable now?
He should be high on our trading list in my opinion.
I've run out of patience Josh.