The consolidated Fev thread

[favourites 2008]

I cant believe people actually think he will be the difference of 70 odd points between us and geelong.

[mandy]

I don't believe that.

I truly believe that with Fev, we'll get there much more quickly than without. And I for one am sick of waiting to be a true contender. I don't want to wait 3+ years to peak. I want it soon.

[Piesnchess]

LOL- Down at the local community centre tonight (Chess club) and in strides a Blues fan to pick up his son. Your typical unbearable scum supporter, about five feet tall, red face, blooze jumper,and scum hat on backwards. And oh boy, he was not a happy lad, talk about convincing himself-and others-WHY the scum dont need Fev,-"Look hes past it mate, im tellin ya mate hes shit house,we dont need him mate,hes nearly 29 mate,f-k him,hope he goes to the Pies and f-them up mate, nah we dont want him no more mate, hes an arsehole,he did miss a lotta goals ya know mate" And on and on this tirade went, i just sipped my coffee and had a good chuckle to myself, how wonderful to see scum barrackers in so much turmoil and dissension in the ranks, great stuff. Ha Ha Ha.!

[Mugwump]

Everyone is so short sited. We are way ahead of where we should be with our list.

Brad Scott when presented with Geelongs lists first reaction was, I look at this list and I can't help but think most of them were in the side that we used to beat up on.

The nucleus of that Geelong side went through a hell of a time getting to where they are now. It's not like they have been awesome from day one. They bided their time and worked through the draft. They now have a lot of players 24+ which is prime age for footballers.

Our list atm is consisted of many players 22 and below. Thus we should bide our time build ourselves up and give ourselves the best chance of attacking 4-5 Grand finals in a row. This way we have our best chance at a flag.

If we get Fev, we will have 3 years to get it right. St Kilda and Geelong will be around for at least one of them. So I'm going to say prob 2 years at getting a flag. And even then most of our players will be around the 24 yo range and only just coming into prime when Fev is jumping off.

As I said if he was dids age I would jump at him, to me he is 1-2 years to old for what he is going to cost.

Please everybody get a grip.

You're a smart man, Faves. History shows that premiership windows are made by patiently accumulating talented young players and bringing them together at the right age with the right experience at the right time. They aren't made by trading youth for 29 year old stars with behavioural issues.

Carlton has Judd and Fevola, and they went out in the first final. As usual, they rely on short term fixes and I think they'll be midrankers for years as a result. We are top 4 with an incredibly young squad. Look at the history and hold the course - especially, as you rightly point out, look at the recent history of Geelong. We cruelled that team by 106 points in 2006, and a year later they were nearly unbeatable. No reason we are not on the same path, except we have a stronger record at this stage of the development curve. Hold the course, and don't trade it away for a proven jerk ; even a talented one.

[HAL]

Of corse you would.

But our team won't peak for about 3 years. When fev is giving it up and Jack is hitting his straps.

Ottens is a ruckman, I would jump at this trade for Jolly.

Perhaps I would.

[Fatui Attata]

I think this says it all. We have our very own fev sitting in our laps.

Since when has Jack looked anything like kicking a bag of 8 or 10 goals?

And you are telling us to get a grip on reality?

Maybe I should post a picture of two pizzas and say Danny Stanley will be to Collingwood what Gary Ablett is to Geelong? Minus the anchovies.

[favourites 2008]

He kicked 7 against Essendon...

It's not about next year. Or the year after. Its about when Thomas Pendlebury Steele Beams Harry Clokey ect are hitting their prime.

I know people want success next season but tbh even with Fev I still think we are a couple of years in the gym off Geelong.

Fev never kicked more than 5 goals in his first 3 seasons for the Blues.

[eddiesmith]

I remember Fevola kicking 12 goals v Collingwood 10 years ago and that was before he got a debut in a real match, has Jack kicked 12 goals in a pre season game or any game?

[Fatui Attata]

Mick spoke recently of the magnitude of Anthony Rocca's retirement. Different players, and both no Rhodes Scholars either.

Fair go mate - Anthony is a Dual Nobel prizewinner compared to that vandal Fevola. More importantly, Anthony's off-field record and team orientation is totally positive. Every mother who's ever taken a kid to a Collingwood family day loves the guy.

Fevola might be a good player though I don't think he's worth the risk for reasons cited elsewhere - but I'm not sure what you are getting at with the comparison between Rocca's judgement and Fev's.

I'm not comparing their off field behaviour. I don't know how you could assume that. You jumped to that conclusion.

I'm talking about having an attacking presence in our forward line. Rocca was the only player we had up forward who could change a game. I think it's fair to say Fev would be a worthy replacement. Not that Anthony has been on the park much over the last couple of years. Add Fev to our side over those last couple of years and I reckon we would have been much more productive.

In no way am I talking about role model material. We're not looking for a Full Forward who is a good bloke who can kick a bag are we?

We're not talking about whether Fevola is Prime Minister material.

We're talking about football ability. Isn't that obvious?

[rocketronnie]

No, no, no....

As someone said this one's too stupid to change. Fevola at Collingwood has the capacity to make Didak and Shaw's story look like the funnies page.

Get Fev and lose Dawes - he'll ask for a trade sooner or later - and his upside is far greater than Fevola's in time. And trade Goldsack for that tool? Lose a 100% commitment player for that tool who spends half his matches disinterested and sulking? Get real, get damn real.... Carlton will want someone good for him - the price is too high, much too high. I'd hate to see one or two of those kids we've put so much work into running round in that guernsey.

I doubt neither Malthouse not Buckley will want him, he doesnt fit in with the development trajectory of our list and he'll be on the way out when the rest of the team is hitting its straps.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints take him, the penny might have dropped that Koshitski is a dud and they'll be gambling he's the X factor to bring them a flag.

Personally I think you could probably train a chimp to do what Fev does and the chimp wouldn't have a problem with the booze either....(The chimp would look better too)

[favourites 2008]

No he hasn't, Fev never kicked over 50 goals when he was 21 either.

Do you think that we can beat Geelong by sticking fev at full forward?

Because if you think we can't the whole scheme is worthless. Im happy to get fev dont get me wrong, but im not giving up Reid JA Cloke, Brown or Dawes to do it.

If it cant be done then Im happy to pass on him. We are on the right track. Fev isn't a ruckman who will get better with age.

[checkraise]

Quote me if the following does not happen.


FEVOLA WILL NOT BE TRADED


Carlton will want too much in return, no team will be willing to take on his $400k - $750k per year under their salary cap 100%. Carlton will need to share in some of the expense, which they will not.

Sydney may be the only chance.

BUT HE WILL NOT BE TRADED

Most clubs will announce early in trade week that the Blues are asking too much for Fev and the story will die a slow death. Carlton will still have their man but on their terms now. Kind of like marriage and holding the upper hand sort of thing (Seinfeld)...

More concerning is the club letting their supporters down a very poor path if he does not get traded, their board will not be trusted and the cracks will start to appear if they don't handle this well.

And by the way, any danger the Magpies landing him please? 5000-1 Shot

[Fatui Attata]

[You're a smart man, Faves.

You're a bad judge of intelligence Mugwamp.

History shows that premiership windows are made by patiently accumulating talented young players and bringing them together at the right age with the right experience at the right time. They aren't made by trading youth for 29 year old stars with behavioural issues.

Geelong needed a ruckman with whatever personality Brad Ottens came with when they gave up precious draft picks to the tiges for him. An obvious hole to fill. Like we have up forward now. Horses for courses. Fevola could be more to us than what Ottens has been to Geelong's Premiership success. And that's alot!

Did we get rid of Didak over his behavioural problems? No. What about Swan and his assault charges? Might win the Copeland this year. They have stayed focussed and turned their behavioural problems around. Fevola was pathetic. Swan was pissed and helped bash a poor guy. Perspective needs to be kept here.

[favourites 2008]

As I have said in the other topics. Its not that I don't want Fev, but for what you will get out of him the price will be too high.

You have to know that Ottens was traded when he was 25 not 29.

[rocketronnie]

No way.

A trained Binobo would do a better job than that $@&^# up loser. And the Binobo won't piss in the nest either.

We've spent a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to turn our player culture around - do we really want the worst train wreck in the League who has the capacity to **** that in one fell swoop?

And he won't change - check out any of his post **** up interviews - he has no idea about how to change - He comes across as lacking the capacity to develop the insight to change...

No way thanks, Eddie....