Post Match. Lions pip Pies - all comments

[jack_spain]

much schadenfruede to be had this week by the media and the non-collingwood supporter.

especially if they read our boards. these meltdowns are ridiculous.

As if one premiership since 1958 isn't ridiculous!

As if all the unfulfilled promises by Eddie and Mick over the past decade aren't ridiculous.

Hey Mick and Ed should just seek Labor pre-selection for the upcoming election. They know all about broken promises. They'd make great ministers in a Krudd government.

LOL Jughead.

[Podpicken]

Our zone doesn't work when the opposition play tempo footy and maintain possession in their back half with greater numbers pin pointing passes throughout our zone. Need to switch to man on man when this occurs.

Bingo!

Mick has only one gear for a whole game. The fans are confused, but imagine how bemused the players are when Mick turns up before a game and says, "Right boys this is how we are playing tonight." After 15 minutes it's clear it isn't the right plan for that game and the matchups aren't right, so what does Mick do. Leave everything as it is. It'll teach the kids, good for experience.

Crap! We don't want a teaching coach, we want a winning coach. Last night Voss showed he may not be the smartest cookie in the box, but he sure knows what it takes to win (three flags as a captain).

Jack, Jack, Jack, you revel in the luxury of hindsight to formulate your arguments a hell of a lot. Fancy pumping up a dud coach like Voss? Pretty simple to me - Our PLAYERS dropped off when they needed to be on and a couple of champions for them found a spark to get them over the line. Didn't have much to do with the coaches last night.

[Kingswood]

Our zone doesn't work when the opposition play tempo footy and maintain possession in their back half with greater numbers pin pointing passes throughout our zone. Need to switch to man on man when this occurs.

Bingo!

Mick has only one gear for a whole game. The fans are confused, but imagine how bemused the players are when Mick turns up before a game and says, "Right boys this is how we are playing tonight." After 15 minutes it's clear it isn't the right plan for that game and the matchups aren't right, so what does Mick do. Leave everything as it is. It'll teach the kids, good for experience.

Crap! We don't want a teaching coach, we want a winning coach. Last night Voss showed he may not be the smartest cookie in the box, but he sure knows what it takes to win (three flags as a captain).

Last time we played the lions, presti went down and J Brown threatened to go on a rampage.

Mick made some brilliant tactical changes and they didn't score a single goal for the second half!

One of many examples of Mick being able to react on matchday. Sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't. Funny how when it does, he rarely gets the credit. When it doesn't, he is the sole focus of all abuse and insults.

Plus, our biggest problem the past weeks have been the forward line. Mick has assistants for a reason. What do you have to say about Nathan Buckley's inability to get the forward line functioning properly?

[surfer1]

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Well I think we have to accept the youth of our team. We have played in some huge games over the last 6 weeks and are sitting at 7/3. We have played at least 6-8 players under 23 and they are not the reason why we have lost the last 2 matches. All that is needed is a bit of jigging of positions etc. It is all good for the next few years.

Have we introduced 1 new young player this year?

[Kingswood]

much schadenfruede to be had this week by the media and the non-collingwood supporter.

especially if they read our boards. these meltdowns are ridiculous.

As if one premiership since 1958 isn't ridiculous!

As if all the unfulfilled promises by Eddie and Mick over the past decade aren't ridiculous.

Hey Mick and Ed should just seek Labor pre-selection for the upcoming election. They know all about broken promises. They'd make great ministers in a Krudd government.

LOL Jughead.

So because we've only got 1 flag in 50 years, every season must be flawless and if it isnt lets throw everything out and start again? The meltdown comment is in regards to people wanting MM, Wellingham, Toovey, etc sacked after a bad performance, completely forgetting these guys have been heroes more times than not this season.

I don't know why i try to explain it to you anyways.

All I know is that we are on the right track. As soon as I see evidence that we are not going forward, then these meltdowns are ridiculous, and I will call them as such.

[ANNODAM]

Let's face it guys, GEEL will go all the way again this year, there is no one close enough to be even put up a challenge.

We are a good 2 years away, we were weak & crumbled when it mattered last night.

I cannot believe BNE had 5 losses in a row & they fkn come up against us & beat us! I was livid last night!

We are back in the pack now & you can bet your bottom dollar the WB will be hungry next week. On last nights performance, I can't see us beating them.

We peaked too early....


And we'll drop down to 3rd once FREO beat NM today.

[42]

Shaw: I'm seeing a nervous footballer, lacking patience and confidence in his team mates. He's turning the ball over and has the look of a panicky young bloke. Worrying. agreed here

Sidey, Beams and Wellingham looked a bit tired. agreed here

Cloke and Didak: just don't stand up to be counted. tough call on didak and clokey has carried his position for a long time now with no help

Anthony: is not in our best 26. Tonight was bordering on embarrassing. true

O'Bree may be on the outer in Nicks but I'll take a footballer who puts his head over the ball and has a heart any day over a lair who gives off dinky 2 metre hand passes and disappears every time there is pressure applied. - so why would u want obree?


Thomas: gutsy performance.

Ball: tried hard. Tons of heart.

Too many tonight waiting for someone else to stand up and do the hard stuff. Just a case of tiredness and a mid season slump? Hope so.

[bokka]

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If we want a hard nut under the packs with good disposal then let's elevate Blair asap!

made VFL state side and one of bog, that should just about be enough - if he dominated this wekend then surely he deserves a try-out and we need new blood esp that type of player - also seems to have pace from what I've heard.

[1eyedpie]

Why has our forward line gone from kicking 20 goals per week to struggling to get past 10 in the space of 2 weeks?

Because the Old Man has taken us "back to the future" by playing the old style chip, chip around the boundary crap.

Bullsh!t Jack I thought we used the corridor on a number of occasions last night and I didn't see this chip chip you talk about. Yes we did play around the boundary at times and maintained possession but that's because our forwards weren't working hard enough leading up into space!

Our zone doesn't work when the opposition play tempo footy and maintain possession in their back half with greater numbers pin pointing passes throughout our zone. Need to switch to man on man when this occurs.

Bingo!

Mick has only one gear for a whole game. The fans are confused, but imagine how bemused the players are when Mick turns up before a game and says, "Right boys this is how we are playing tonight." After 15 minutes it's clear it isn't the right plan for that game and the matchups aren't right, so what does Mick do. Leave everything as it is. It'll teach the kids, good for experience.

Crap! We don't want a teaching coach, we want a winning coach. Last night Voss showed he may not be the smartest cookie in the box, but he sure knows what it takes to win (three flags as a captain).

Mick did change up the forward line a few times trying to find a winning formula. Voss copied the Cat's game plan in that he made sure our forwards were always outnumbered! Our forwards didn't work hard enough presenting into space and our mids should have shown more composure than just bombing on top of their heads.

We should of held the ball more with tempo footy outside the fifty and spotted a target inside 45 with short 15 mtr passes or load up with our big kickers just outside the 50 that's the way to beat the flood!

[Cam]

Very disappointing result is about it. Harry played better once he got emotionally involved in the game. We missed Leons tackling pressure inside 50 [yes i know hes been shocking but still].

[OEP]

The problem, as I saw it, was that the Pies play on too quickly, too often.

Both Geelong and Brisbane have used this fact to their advantage by effectively giving up the space in the middle of the ground and pushing numbers back into our forward line, so that when the ball is kicked into our forward 50 they have the numbers to take possession and then run it out.

Obviously for this tactic to work you must have confidence in your own forward line to win the contested football because once you take possession, and you want to move the ball on quickly, it means kicking over the centre field directly into your forward 50 often to a contest. Otherwise you need to play tempo football to allow your players to run back into the space now available in the middle of the ground.

When the players are being faced by this type of game plan they must firstly be able to recognise it and secondly make a switch from the normal high speed disposal ethos into a tempo style game plan to negate this tactic.

Some posters are stating that the forwards aren't working hard enough but I would counter that if the opposition are using this tactic then the space for the forwards to lead into has been massively reduced and it will take longer for a forward to find space. So what might appear to look like a player or players not working hard enough is in fact a player simply trying to find some space to lead into. If the midfielders aren't giving the forwards time to find that space and are just kicking it quickly then it's reasonable to assume the opposition are going to spoil and take possession.

Sure move the ball quickly from the back line to the centre field so the option is there for quick delivery into the forward line, but once the ball is forward of centre take that extra second or two to look up and assess the field. If their stacking our forward line then move the ball around the 50 metre arc until an open forward is available.

As I've said in a previous post on another thread experience is going to be this teams greatest obstacle this year, because it's experience that gives players the nous to make and take the right option when under pressure.

[roar]

Definitely hurt seeing the team play so poorly but it's hardly wrist-slitting time.

[swooper]

Skills and disposal overall were woeful.

For second week in a row, forward line seemed dysfunctional. Havent seen the stats but would be interested to know how many marks were taken in our F50. Forward line pressure also seems to be lacking - really missing Medders here. Disappointing loss overall.

[swooper]

Tonight, we were up against a top eight caliber team, absolutely desperate to win after 5 losses and criticism of their star player. This was always a danger game. In the end, we were ahead for 90% of the night, but were pipped at the post. Ah well, that's footy, it happens.

We were below our best, and didn't quite get up, disappointing, but hardly faith-shaking stuff for those with a bit of fortitude. The soft supporters who start flinging abuse after the loss of a quarter, and fall apart after the loss of any game, on the other hand...

Absolutely agree with this. Dont forget Brissy had been challenged all week, after 5 straight losses. Another loss would have been devastating for them. This game was like a final to them. Unfortunately for us, most teams see it that way when playing us.

[Scribe]

AN_Inkling wrote:

Tonight, we were up against a top eight caliber team, absolutely desperate to win after 5 losses and criticism of their star player. This was always a danger game. In the end, we were ahead for 90% of the night, but were pipped at the post. Ah well, that's footy, it happens.

We were below our best, and didn't quite get up, disappointing, but hardly faith-shaking stuff for those with a bit of fortitude. The soft supporters who start flinging abuse after the loss of a quarter, and fall apart after the loss of any game, on the other hand...

This deserved to be quoted again..

Noone is happy or satisfied with a frustrating loss like that one, but the cards didn't fall our way.

One thing I'd love to see is a return of Sean Rusling into the forward line. I'd consider his speed, workrate and hands a real upgrade over the Jack-attack right now.

Dawes deserves more time...Hopefully time he can spend learning softer hands when marking.

The return of a fit and confident Leon and Medhurst will help.

Another BIG danger game against the dogs next week. Shutter to think what will happen on this board if we lose 3 in a row