Recreational cyclists

[watt price tully]

The world breathes a sign of relief as it is revealed that Black_White is not a member of Australia's judicial system

.......It appears you are happy with trial by press, no make that trial by internet blog!
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Yeah but, yeah but, he started it.... (Mr Warne that is)

What's good for the goose (& I use my words advisedly) is good for the gander!!

[Black_White]

The world breathes a sign of relief as it is revealed that Black_White is not a member of Australia's judicial system

Why is that?
Because I'm insisting on proof? Not just the word of the lycra clad?
It appears you are happy with trial by press, no make that trial by internet blog!
Me, I'll take proof.
Care to show me some?

For someone screaming for proof you seem awfully quick to dismiss anything anti-Warne and defend Warne re this incident. What proof has Warne provided that makes his story so much more believable than the cyclist concerned or the witness that came forward?

If Warne has provided some proof of his side of events then, to quote you, care to show me some?

No problem with that. There is no proof on either side.
But, all Warne did was post a rant, a bit like this site really. A rant with no more repercussions, no actual naming of the cyclist involved.
But now we have accusations of assault, yes in true terms it would be assault, against a named person by a person who wishes to remain behind internet anonymity.
To my way of thinking that puts a burden of proof on the accuser.
Do you really want to say any different?

[OEP]

The world breathes a sign of relief as it is revealed that Black_White is not a member of Australia's judicial system

Why is that?
Because I'm insisting on proof? Not just the word of the lycra clad?
It appears you are happy with trial by press, no make that trial by internet blog!
Me, I'll take proof.
Care to show me some?

For someone screaming for proof you seem awfully quick to dismiss anything anti-Warne and defend Warne re this incident. What proof has Warne provided that makes his story so much more believable than the cyclist concerned or the witness that came forward?

If Warne has provided some proof of his side of events then, to quote you, care to show me some?

No problem with that. There is no proof on either side.
But, all Warne did was post a rant, a bit like this site really. A rant with no more repercussions, no actual naming of the cyclist involved.
But now we have accusations of assault, yes in true terms it would be assault, against a named person by a person who wishes to remain behind internet anonymity.
To my way of thinking that puts a burden of proof on the accuser.
Do you really want to say any different?

Not correct Warne posted a rant on Twitter then proceeded to the nearest cop shop and made a formal complaint.

[Black_White]

The world breathes a sign of relief as it is revealed that Black_White is not a member of Australia's judicial system

Why is that?
Because I'm insisting on proof? Not just the word of the lycra clad?
It appears you are happy with trial by press, no make that trial by internet blog!
Me, I'll take proof.
Care to show me some?

For someone screaming for proof you seem awfully quick to dismiss anything anti-Warne and defend Warne re this incident. What proof has Warne provided that makes his story so much more believable than the cyclist concerned or the witness that came forward?

If Warne has provided some proof of his side of events then, to quote you, care to show me some?

No problem with that. There is no proof on either side.
But, all Warne did was post a rant, a bit like this site really. A rant with no more repercussions, no actual naming of the cyclist involved.
But now we have accusations of assault, yes in true terms it would be assault, against a named person by a person who wishes to remain behind internet anonymity.
To my way of thinking that puts a burden of proof on the accuser.
Do you really want to say any different?

Not correct Warne posted a rant on Twitter then proceeded to the nearest cop shop and made a formal complaint.

Against who?
Brings us back to registration for cyclists. Had there been a plate then Warne could have "named" the offender. The Police could have wrapped it up in hours.
At the moment, we have Warne complaining against an unknown cyclist, while the cyclist is able to hide behind internet anonymity and make unfounded accusations against someone with a public profile.
Seems slightly unfair don't you think.
Or are you just anti-Warne no matter the truth?

Another good argument to make cyclists accountable for their actions.

[Black_White]

P.S. Why hasn't the cyclist gone to the police and used his "many photo's and video's" of the incident to get his "bent wheel" fixed?
What is it, 4 days now?

[watt price tully]

P.S. Why hasn't the cyclist gone to the police and used his "many photo's and video's" of the incident to get his "bent wheel" fixed?
What is it, 4 days now?

Maybe he is a thinking man. In this way he knows he has less access to the media, less power than one Shane Warne.

Maybe he saw all the bile spewed forth from Warnies incitment that he thought it would be best to "let a sleeping mongrel" lie - given the other forms of support he had received.

As I noted earlier, all Warne has done is polarize. It wopuld be unnfortunate if others chose this path. His utterances makes it that much harder for most cyclists who just want to go to from A to B.

Warnies little rant has provided cover for others to abuse cyclists while simply peddalling to work or wherever.

There are some shocking cyclists there are plenty of shocking drivers. Cyclists rarely kill or maim. Cars do.

We need to love each other, be mutually respectful. My ol' man once said treat other people in the way you expect to be treated.

Free hugs all 'round.

[stui magpie]

P.S. Why hasn't the cyclist gone to the police and used his "many photo's and video's" of the incident to get his "bent wheel" fixed?
What is it, 4 days now?

Maybe he is a thinking man. In this way he knows he has less access to the media, less power than one Shane Warne.

Maybe he saw all the bile spewed forth from Warnies incitment that he thought it would be best to "let a sleeping mongrel" lie - given the other forms of support he had received.

As I noted earlier, all Warne has done is polarize. It wopuld be unnfortunate if others chose this path. His utterances makes it that much harder for most cyclists who just want to go to from A to B.

Warnies little rant has provided cover for others to abuse cyclists while simply peddalling to work or wherever.

There are some shocking cyclists there are plenty of shocking drivers. Cyclists rarely kill or maim. Cars do.

We need to love each other, be mutually respectful. My ol' man once said treat other people in the way you expect to be treated.

Free hugs all 'round.

No arguments whatsoever.

[Black_White]

Maybe he is a thinking man. In this way he knows he has less access to the media, less power than one Shane Warne.

No, he claims PROOF!
Vids and photo's.
His power in the law is no more or less than Warne's.
Maybe he just went home, decided Warne has a few bucks, bent his wheel himself and the rest is history.
If Warne has done wrong, I'm more than happy for him to pay the penalty. But those who cry wolf need to back it up.

[OEP]

Against who?
Brings us back to registration for cyclists. Had there been a plate then Warne could have "named" the offender. The Police could have wrapped it up in hours.
At the moment, we have Warne complaining against an unknown cyclist, while the cyclist is able to hide behind internet anonymity and make unfounded accusations against someone with a public profile.
Seems slightly unfair don't you think.
Or are you just anti-Warne no matter the truth?

Another good argument to make cyclists accountable for their actions.

I have no arguments for making people accountable for their actions be they a road cyclist or a former cricket player for Australia.

You don't need to know the offender to make a complaint about an incident Police are train in the art of detection and investigation. Also through this whole thread you've assumed the cyclist was in the wrong on all accounts and demanded others prove that wasn't the case, yet you've absolutely no proof that Warne wasn't in the wrong completely or partially. Ergo how do you know the accusations being made against Warne by the cyclist are unfounded or vice versa.

You say the cyclist gets to hide behind Internet anonymity and make unfounded accusations against someone with a public profile yet Warne was the first to use the Internet regarding this matter. Why isn't your argument that a high profile person is using the internet to further their cause and slander the reputation of an innocent cyclist with unfounded accusation, because to my knowledge neither party has been proved correct.

Or are you just anti-cyclists no matter the truth?

On registering cyclist and them having to display number plates similar to vehicles, yes there used to be an old (and correct) argument that it was dangerous for motor cycles to display number plates on the front due to concerns they could cause injury to the rider and / or a someone else in the event of an accident. This argument isn't as viable when discussing cyclists because the cyclist rarely travels at speeds high enough to generate the energy required to turn a number plate into a weapon and if hit by a car travelling at high enough speeds then the impact of the vehicle would almost certainly kill the cyclist before the number plate could do any damage. The real problem is with the plate causing drag, which is something to be considered when discussing a cyclist. My solution to the problem would be for road cyclist to obtain a licence similar to a MDL and for a registration plate to be made out of a breathable, flexible material that can be slipped around the cyclist arms and the number displayed on their back, over their clothes.

[stui magpie]

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Why not just hang the plate from the seat at the back? No drag issues, no injury issues.

[OEP]

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Why not just hang the plate from the seat at the back? No drag issues, no injury issues.

For there to be no drag issues the plate would have to be very small which would effectively render the reason for having the plate useless, i.e. for identification purposes.

[stui magpie]

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Why not just hang the plate from the seat at the back? No drag issues, no injury issues.

For there to be no drag issues the plate would have to be very small which would effectively render the reason for having the plate useless, i.e. for identification purposes.

If you can hang a tool bag off the back seat, or put a water bottle on the frame, the drag issues are minimal. They're recreational cyclists, not competing for the gold medal at the Olympics.

[OEP]

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Why not just hang the plate from the seat at the back? No drag issues, no injury issues.

For there to be no drag issues the plate would have to be very small which would effectively render the reason for having the plate useless, i.e. for identification purposes.

If you can hang a tool bag off the back seat, or put a water bottle on the frame, the drag issues are minimal. They're recreational cyclists, not competing for the gold medal at the Olympics.

True but those items you mentioned are generally aerodynamic in design and as such the drag is minimal. With regards to them being recreational cyclist and not professionals I'd suggest trying to ride 20+ kms with something constantly causing drag (which as your speed increases only gets worse) and see if being recreational or professional makes a difference to the drag. I'd suggest the recreational cyclists would find it harder due to the act their not as fit or strong as a professional.

[stui magpie]

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C'mon. Seriously. If it makes it 1% harder to ride, they get 1% fitter when riding from the extra effort. No one's talking about square wheels, how much drag can a license plate create compared to the drag the body creates on it's own?

Pardon the expression but, bullshit excuse.

[Nick - Pie Man]

stui, I don't want people to track me down when I break the law or act like a jerk on a bicycle. No registration for bikes kthx

No registration for cars either but I'm dreaming now